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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:08 pm    Post subject: window manager vs desktop environment? Reply with quote

Can someone please explicity lay out the differences? Im running fluxbox at home, but have seen some screenshots on lynocs.org that use the xfce "desktop environment." that look pretty sweet.

I a DE just a set of programs (like bgsetter, conf manager, etc) for administration of the desktop?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A window manager... is just that, it manages the creation of windows, taskbar, and related GUI-like things. A desktop manager includes other packages, for the example of KDE, it includes kwrite kedit, konqueror, etc. etc., as well as a control center for system preferences, not just the creation and management of windows.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do 'emerge -p xfce4' and 'emerge -p openbox' (or blackbox, fluxbox, etc.) and you'll see the difference.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nowadays, big Desktop environments are getting cut up into pieces, so that you can install only the parts you need.

So, for example, you don't have to necesarily install KDE-GAMES package if you don't need it. Some time ago you had to.

It's a more Gentooish way, don't you think so!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you for the responses. so when people use *box WM with xfce (as ive seen on lynucs.org) they are using the *box WM and some of the xfce desktop elements in combination?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shrndegruv wrote:
thank you for the responses. so when people use *box WM with xfce (as ive seen on lynucs.org) they are using the *box WM and some of the xfce desktop elements in combination?

Yeah basically. I actually did the opposite and ran xfwm (xfce's native window manager) by itself for a while. It's pretty slick slick; lightweight and nice looking.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, at one time I used openbox with xfce's panel. You can basically mix and match with a lot of packages like that. I once did openbox w/ just gnome-panel also.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A window manager is just something to control the windows.

A desktop environment consists of a window manager, a panel, a file manager, and a bunch of other applications to give you a full desktop experience. You can always use a DE and replace the window manager with your favorite one.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have gnome (light) installed and i dont know what kind of *box that i am using, but since i think gnome is slow, i want to try xfce. Can anyone tell me how to improve performance with xfce? Are all program that work on gnome will work on xfce too?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inthai, I believe *box meant `fluxbox, openbox, fluxbox or some such', i.e. a branch of window managers, one could say. As to which one you're using, that'd be metacity, I guess. (The default window manager of gnome.)

If you want to use xfce-4 to `improve performance', then emerge it and start that instead of gnome (light). It should be lighter; it might be quicker. (Not that that always boosts your work speed, but give it a try nevertheless! It might. :wink: )

As to your question about gnome-apps. In short: yes. They'll work.
I've been using all kinds of "window managers" (in different senses of the word), from icewm, fluxbox and fvwm2 to enlightenment-0.17, xfce-4, kde and gnome, always using a mix of kde-, gnome- and other applications, never having any real problems with that. (I.e. their being gnome,- kde- or what have you -applications.)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you already have all the gnome libraries necessary to run you gnome apps, they will run nomatter what WM or DE you are using. XFCE should load a bit quicker than gnome and apps might be a tiny bit more responsive (don't expect a miracle). However your gnome apps may actually need a tiny bit longer to load first time since they will need to load the necessary gnome libs. If you plan to use a lot of gnome apps in xfce there is an option in xfce-settings > Sessions & Startup > Advanced to turn on Gnome services at startup which should take care of the gnome app load time.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I'm starting to become more familiar with window managers and desktop environments. I currently have KDE 3.4 installed but I am interested in trying enlightenment, fluxbox and maybe window maker. I tried installing window maker once but I didn't notice a difference and their site didn't clearly describe how to set it up and run (only how to set up the program once it has already started running) I guess I am basically asking what I have to do to change window managers?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when you log in you specify your window manager from the "Sessions" menu. If you emerged the other WMs, your login manager should automatically be configured to show the new WMs. Im using enlightenment (not E17) now...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-60963.html

There's a longer one around somewhere too IIRC.
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