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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They get paid £7000 less than the average full time worker, and the council wants to cut that back further.

You better hope there are enough immigrants coming into the country to fill these jobs after they gut them.


Your trolling is weak sauce.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No more bin collections until Christmas!

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After six weeks without rubbish collections, Birmingham's streets have become a stinking, rat-infested mess.

But things could be about to get even worse – after striking binmen yesterday threatened to extend their walkouts until Christmas.


This is easy to solve, fire the lot of them and make those that want to work reapply for their jobs.

Or, we have unemployed, those doing community service, use them. Bloody Labour.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No more bin collections until Christmas!

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After six weeks without rubbish collections, Birmingham's streets have become a stinking, rat-infested mess.

But things could be about to get even worse – after striking binmen yesterday threatened to extend their walkouts until Christmas.


This is easy to solve, fire the lot of them and make those that want to work reapply for their jobs.

Or, we have unemployed, those doing community service, use them. Bloody Labour.


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When the Air Traffic Controllers decided to unionize and strike, Reagan fired the lot and rehired people who would do their duty. It was a wise move.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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John-Boy wrote:
This is easy to solve, fire the lot of them and make those that want to work reapply for their jobs.

Or, we have unemployed, those doing community service, use them. Bloody Labour.


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When the Air Traffic Controllers decided to unionize and strike, Reagan fired the lot and rehired people who would do their duty. It was a wise move.
I was going to say, if they had someone Thatcher-like, they could do like Reagan and the lazy Air Traffic Control non-workers.

I've wondered about multiple ways to solve such a problem. One would be using annually renewable contracts, or contracts based on projects or goals. In the case of big labor forces such as UAW (their bent-noses are stirring up trouble at Tesla), either building smaller plants with more flexibility to close them down, or plants with multiple work areas. Sub-contract each work area to an "employment / workforce" management company, with renewable contracts every 1-5 years or something like that. When the time comes, don't renew one of the contracts.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are fucking garbage men! If they are within 7k of the average income, they are already way over-paid. They're not frickin mechanics or plumbers or hairdressers or cooks, who have to actually know something; they could almost be replaced by monkeys. They probably SHOULD be replaced by some form of automation.

You need govt to get out of the business and let market forces fix this problem for you.

For richk449: another tragedy of the commons caused by commie-ass thinking!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No more bin collections until Christmas!

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After six weeks without rubbish collections, Birmingham's streets have become a stinking, rat-infested mess.

But things could be about to get even worse – after striking binmen yesterday threatened to extend their walkouts until Christmas.


This is easy to solve, fire the lot of them and make those that want to work reapply for their jobs.

Or, we have unemployed, those doing community service, use them. Bloody Labour.


apparently the job of rubbish collection is socially important. Important enough that you will come to OTW and complain when they are not doing their jobs.

Pay them what they are socially worth.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sugar wrote:
John-Boy wrote:
No more bin collections until Christmas!

Quote:
After six weeks without rubbish collections, Birmingham's streets have become a stinking, rat-infested mess.

But things could be about to get even worse – after striking binmen yesterday threatened to extend their walkouts until Christmas.


This is easy to solve, fire the lot of them and make those that want to work reapply for their jobs.

Or, we have unemployed, those doing community service, use them. Bloody Labour.


apparently the job of rubbish collection is socially important. Important enough that you will come to OTW and complain when they are not doing their jobs.

Pay them what they are socially worth.
are you aware of what they are striking over?

They presently work 37hours over 4days + 5th day as overtime & the council want to change this to 37hours over 5days
The majority of birmingham still uses binbags "dumped" at the side of the street but is (slowly) replacing these with wheely bins as these increase productivity
As a result of that they want to reduce the number of binmen per truck from iirc 4 to 3.

The issues here are
1) redundancy - BCC have stated there shouldn't be any job losses but the supervisors would move
2) working 5days by default (shock horror I work 6...)
3) lunchtime disputes.

What you are failing to appreciate here is the labour gov'n have significantly overspent for DECADES!, they are in debt! they cannot keep funding lots of socialistic schemes for hte benefit of the few... Birmingham got hit by some of the harshest austerity targets and rightly so... overspent, underproduction... FFS the child services in this city is a joke! the amount of child abuse that has been "permitted" to occur is criminal.
so where is the money going to come from when Labour have squandered soo much and then those on benefits keep voting them in because they know they will lose their benefits ... The vicious cycle of socialism.

its pathetic the binmen are striking over a 5day week, it is pathetic they are striking because there is means to increase productivity & cut costs! the only legitimate argument is the potential loss of jobs. Do you know what the council does to ensure a 5day week coverage in light of the unions securing a 4day decades ago? if they can't get enough people todo overtime THEY contract out at a higher rate to the private sector ££££££££

Now because of this, my local tip is having massive queues at 8am as people try to dispose of the waste they have already paid removal for, which is significantly slowing down transit in the morning rush hour... Great so their actions are now reducing the productivity of the entire city ( I assume the whole city, I only know about my area and how my journey has increased by 40min if I catch it wrong...)

So Einstein. If the City is in debt, if most of the employment terms are what us in the private sector already do, where is the extra money going to come from when all departments have wasted £££, printing all council documents in what? 21 languages when there is only two LEGALLY recognises languages in the United Kingdom... come on Einstein.
And at the end of the day they are binmen, I stress men because I have not seen a single female on any of the trucks and there is one that works at the local tip. To be a binmen is not a highly skilled job and considering the dispute isn't over pay but work ethic what todo ...
And do you know the cherry on the cake... the changes proposed by the council to save money bring it in line with other councils around the country

here you go: the child services issue summaries... too much bullshit to go digging and a lot of it because wify's friend works in this dept... Largest in the country, biggest failing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-33081078

council £49m in the red
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-city-council-budget-under-12146875

The Labour fatcats of townHall..
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/308837/Shameless-councils-wasting-YOUR-money
Quote:
Birmingham spent £544,686 on consultants for “temporary research and development” and £248,740 for “human resources, training and education”. Ipswich Borough Council spent £935,000 on a management consultant, while Waltham Forest, one of the six London boroughs hosting the Olympic Games, spent £420,000 on a recruitment agent to employ directors in two departments suffering more than £10million of cuts this year: adult social care and children and young people services. It also paid £317,760 to two companies for consultants to act as assistant directors in other departments.


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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/408097/Council-millions-go-to-waste-on-perks
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Birmingham City Council spent £319,000 visiting 43 countries. Wigan spent £25,000 a year, including £23,000 on a salary, for an “ambassador” on twinning with the Loire Valley town Angers in France.


have a look at their 2017-2018 budget
file:///home/jrb/Downloads/Budget_for_Birmingham_Council_Tax_help_and_information_booklet_2017_to_2018.pdf

Also a ~5% rise in council tax so we can get poorer services for more money. NOTE inflation is sitting at 2.7% So why the extra money and decrease in services? WASTE something they have already shown they can't manage
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/info/20011/your_council/237/council_financial_plan

This and every previous Labour council has just squandered the money... every time I hear about this and other wasted schemes it reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAWFriUsMo
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a solved problem. Eliminate the positions. Just imagine how great it will be with the self driving truck.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is a solved problem. Eliminate the positions. Just imagine how great it will be with the self driving truck.


We have those in my neighborhood. And yet, they still forget to turn down my street. :cry:
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cities and the people who choose to live in them are disgusting like insufficiently-wiped ass.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pjp wrote:
This is a solved problem. Eliminate the positions. Just imagine how great it will be with the self driving truck.


We have those in my neighborhood. And yet, they still forget to turn down my street. :cry:
That's where the self-driving trucks come in handy :D
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pjp wrote:
This is a solved problem. Eliminate the positions. Just imagine how great it will be with the self driving truck.


We have those in my neighborhood. And yet, they still forget to turn down my street. :cry:


We have the same. I'm not quite sure how they determine their routes, they don't seem consistent, and the patterns of missed cans can be interesting.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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John-Boy wrote:
No more bin collections until Christmas!

Quote:
After six weeks without rubbish collections, Birmingham's streets have become a stinking, rat-infested mess.

But things could be about to get even worse – after striking binmen yesterday threatened to extend their walkouts until Christmas.


This is easy to solve, fire the lot of them and make those that want to work reapply for their jobs.

Or, we have unemployed, those doing community service, use them. Bloody Labour.


apparently the job of rubbish collection is socially important. Important enough that you will come to OTW and complain when they are not doing their jobs.

Pay them what they are socially worth.


See Naib's reply comrade.
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, where is the extra money going to come from


Rich bastards, we've got an inexhaustible supply.
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Cities and the people who choose to live in them are disgusting like insufficiently-wiped ass.


How big is a city? Just curious of what measurements you have for referring a mass of people to call a city. I mark words sometimes.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

25,000 people within 25 square miles.

But, the poorly-wipe ass effect usually occurs around 100,000 people within 100 square miles, and it's worse the closer you are to an ocean or the farther south you are.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cities and the people who choose to live in them are disgusting like insufficiently-wiped ass.

More likely to be less self sufficient and more likely to be an authoritarian collectivist like sugar.
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sugar wrote:
John-Boy wrote:
No more bin collections until Christmas!

Quote:
After six weeks without rubbish collections, Birmingham's streets have become a stinking, rat-infested mess.

But things could be about to get even worse – after striking binmen yesterday threatened to extend their walkouts until Christmas.


This is easy to solve, fire the lot of them and make those that want to work reapply for their jobs.

Or, we have unemployed, those doing community service, use them. Bloody Labour.


apparently the job of rubbish collection is socially important. Important enough that you will come to OTW and complain when they are not doing their jobs.

Pay them what they are socially worth.


See Naib's reply comrade.
Oh he saw it. But like the good commie that he is, he ignores facts. Empty platitudes and SJW sloganeering is his forte. :wink:
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Muso wrote:
pjp wrote:
This is a solved problem. Eliminate the positions. Just imagine how great it will be with the self driving truck.


We have those in my neighborhood. And yet, they still forget to turn down my street. :cry:
That's where the self-driving trucks come in handy :D


Good point.

flysideways wrote:
We have the same. I'm not quite sure how they determine their routes, they don't seem consistent, and the patterns of missed cans can be interesting.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because the government has created an artificial monopoly they don't magically gain real "social worth". Just about anybody on the unemployment line could be put to work removing garbage with minimal training, and they'd be happy to have the paycheck. Outsource it immediately. Problem solved.
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And it's over ! Well, suspended linky


How did the council manage this ? By collapsing. Jesus- I hope this lot don't do hostage negotiation on the side :

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Council bosses have been accused of “caving in” to union demands after a peace deal was brokered in Birmingham’s bins strike .

The Unite union agreed to suspend strike action after almost seven weeks after more than 100 dustcart supervisors – who monitor safety at the back of each truck – were allowed to keep their jobs with no loss of pay.


Arseholes.
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Peace deal? Wait, were the bins THE bin Trashen terrorist family? I thought it was about people refusing to do the job for which they were paid.
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Break out the silver-plated trash cans! :lol:
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
sugar wrote:
John-Boy wrote:
No more bin collections until Christmas!

Quote:
After six weeks without rubbish collections, Birmingham's streets have become a stinking, rat-infested mess.

But things could be about to get even worse – after striking binmen yesterday threatened to extend their walkouts until Christmas.


This is easy to solve, fire the lot of them and make those that want to work reapply for their jobs.

Or, we have unemployed, those doing community service, use them. Bloody Labour.


apparently the job of rubbish collection is socially important. Important enough that you will come to OTW and complain when they are not doing their jobs.

Pay them what they are socially worth.
are you aware of what they are striking over?

They presently work 37hours over 4days + 5th day as overtime & the council want to change this to 37hours over 5days
The majority of birmingham still uses binbags "dumped" at the side of the street but is (slowly) replacing these with wheely bins as these increase productivity
As a result of that they want to reduce the number of binmen per truck from iirc 4 to 3.

The issues here are
1) redundancy - BCC have stated there shouldn't be any job losses but the supervisors would move
2) working 5days by default (shock horror I work 6...)
3) lunchtime disputes.

What you are failing to appreciate here is the labour gov'n have significantly overspent for DECADES!, they are in debt! they cannot keep funding lots of socialistic schemes for hte benefit of the few... Birmingham got hit by some of the harshest austerity targets and rightly so... overspent, underproduction... FFS the child services in this city is a joke! the amount of child abuse that has been "permitted" to occur is criminal.
so where is the money going to come from when Labour have squandered soo much and then those on benefits keep voting them in because they know they will lose their benefits ... The vicious cycle of socialism.

its pathetic the binmen are striking over a 5day week, it is pathetic they are striking because there is means to increase productivity & cut costs! the only legitimate argument is the potential loss of jobs. Do you know what the council does to ensure a 5day week coverage in light of the unions securing a 4day decades ago? if they can't get enough people todo overtime THEY contract out at a higher rate to the private sector ££££££££

Now because of this, my local tip is having massive queues at 8am as people try to dispose of the waste they have already paid removal for, which is significantly slowing down transit in the morning rush hour... Great so their actions are now reducing the productivity of the entire city ( I assume the whole city, I only know about my area and how my journey has increased by 40min if I catch it wrong...)

So Einstein. If the City is in debt, if most of the employment terms are what us in the private sector already do, where is the extra money going to come from when all departments have wasted £££, printing all council documents in what? 21 languages when there is only two LEGALLY recognises languages in the United Kingdom... come on Einstein.
And at the end of the day they are binmen, I stress men because I have not seen a single female on any of the trucks and there is one that works at the local tip. To be a binmen is not a highly skilled job and considering the dispute isn't over pay but work ethic what todo ...
And do you know the cherry on the cake... the changes proposed by the council to save money bring it in line with other councils around the country

here you go: the child services issue summaries... too much bullshit to go digging and a lot of it because wify's friend works in this dept... Largest in the country, biggest failing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-33081078

council £49m in the red
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-city-council-budget-under-12146875

The Labour fatcats of townHall..
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/308837/Shameless-councils-wasting-YOUR-money
Quote:
Birmingham spent £544,686 on consultants for “temporary research and development” and £248,740 for “human resources, training and education”. Ipswich Borough Council spent £935,000 on a management consultant, while Waltham Forest, one of the six London boroughs hosting the Olympic Games, spent £420,000 on a recruitment agent to employ directors in two departments suffering more than £10million of cuts this year: adult social care and children and young people services. It also paid £317,760 to two companies for consultants to act as assistant directors in other departments.


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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/408097/Council-millions-go-to-waste-on-perks
Quote:
Birmingham City Council spent £319,000 visiting 43 countries. Wigan spent £25,000 a year, including £23,000 on a salary, for an “ambassador” on twinning with the Loire Valley town Angers in France.


have a look at their 2017-2018 budget
file:///home/jrb/Downloads/Budget_for_Birmingham_Council_Tax_help_and_information_booklet_2017_to_2018.pdf

Also a ~5% rise in council tax so we can get poorer services for more money. NOTE inflation is sitting at 2.7% So why the extra money and decrease in services? WASTE something they have already shown they can't manage
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/info/20011/your_council/237/council_financial_plan

This and every previous Labour council has just squandered the money... every time I hear about this and other wasted schemes it reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAWFriUsMo


whatever. Looks like they won. The council figured out a solution that would work for both sides. Surprise surprise.
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When you can just force your arbitrary decision down everybody's throats, you don't really have to make it work for anybody. Authoritarian commie-ass monopoly ftw!
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