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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:29 pm    Post subject: Brain Tumors - Mobile phones a possible cause? Reply with quote

According to recent studdies, supports Italy and their courtruling on how 'mobiles' can cause tumors in your brain.

Most reliable source ever made wrote:

Scientific studies of the potential health risks of mobile phones have mostly concluded that they pose no serious risk to human health at the level of most people’s use.

Heavier use may pose some risk, other studies have found, and many experts say it is too early to do a proper assessment of what is a relatively new technology.


Whut the butt?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/21/italian-court-rules-mobile-phone-use-caused-brain-tumour
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This crops up from time to time, like artificial sweeteners - both of these mobile phones and sweeteners have been around for so long that we'd be seeing something significant by now.

And we're not.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
This crops up from time to time, like artificial sweeteners - both of these mobile phones and sweeteners have been around for so long that we'd be seeing something significant by now.

And we're not.

Wait until they make mobile sweetners, just you wait...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In short, no.

In detail, a long exposure to low level radiation is not equvilent to a short duration of high radiation. A related analogy, the photoelectric effect requires a gamma ray with sufficent energy so that one photon can liberate an electron. The chance of two low energy photons exciting a single electron are effectivly zero. Therefore, the photoelectric effect is not triggerd by intensity, only wavelength. Above the thresthold wavelength intensity is a factor.

Your mobile phone emits low energy gamma rays (radio waves for the plebs) that are incapable of ionizing or destabilizing an atom. Adding more of these gamma rays and increasing the duration can have no cumulitive effect. Without damaging cellular structures you can't cause cancer.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Doctor wrote:

Your mobile phone emits low energy gamma rays (radio waves for the plebs) that are incapable of ionizing or destabilizing an atom


Just my worries about it:
Can't these waves cause molecules/proteins to behave differently? I mean some kind of energy must get absorbed and could cause it behave differently?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrix_neo wrote:
The Doctor wrote:

Your mobile phone emits low energy gamma rays (radio waves for the plebs) that are incapable of ionizing or destabilizing an atom


Just my worries about it:
Can't these waves cause molecules/proteins to behave differently? I mean some kind of energy must get absorbed and could cause it behave differently?
Atoms only absorb energy in discrete quantities. So as long as the wavelength is wrong, no.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure how harmful the phones are but the radiation provides me a good excuse when i want to abort a long call with the words: "Sorry but i have exceeded the daily radiation limit for my brain 3 times and i have to hang up now."
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One article supposedly about health concerns quoted a person not wanting a cell tower in her neighborhood and complained about property values. She then said it would cause cancer. So, yeah.

This seems to reference significant studies in lab rats (emphasis added):
New Studies Link Cell Phone Radiation with Cancer wrote:
Rates for those cancers increased as the doses got higher but the evidence linking them with cell phone radiation specifically was weak by comparison, and the researchers could not rule out that they might have increased for reasons other than RF exposure. Paradoxically, the radiation-treated animals also lived longer than the nonexposed controls.
Of course, whether or not you want to live longer with all those cancers is a different question. :twisted:

I am more than tempted by the United States National Radio Quiet Zone. I'm somewhat surprised no one has tried to establish similar zones for preference rather than "need." Who knows, maybe by the time 10G comes along, towers will be so close, someone will discover point-to-point tower-free connective technologies with more than 10x performance boost.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So putting in an experts opinion into a study; that's to be called someone unquallified but trustworthy because the expert agrees with "me".
Then, the Italian court buys that and call the case a true outcome - Mobiles are cancerogenous to your brain, balls and uterus.

Did I miss the target?

The Doctor wrote:

Atoms only absorb energy in discrete quantities. So as long as the wavelength is wrong, no.


Thanks for the expertice...(a joke). I still think a thurough study would be ok. As with that 5G stuff. A state in the US asked to make one healthstudy to be made before applying 5G. I think it was Michigan...
A small thing: https://ehtrust.org/michigan-senator-testifies-on-health-risks-of-5g-small-cells-and-the-internet-of-things/
I think it's ok to feel scared. In combination to trust where is not makes a bad combo.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrix_neo wrote:
Did I miss the target?
Seems so.

patrix_neo wrote:
I still think a thurough study would be ok.
How many studies does it take to be considered thorough? I forgot to include the source in my previous post (it's there now). But from that same source:
Quote:
The studies are notable for their sizes. Researchers at the National Toxicology Program, a federal interagency group under the National Institutes of Health, tested 3,000 rats and mice of both sexes for two years—the largest investigation of RF radiation and cancer in rodents ever undertaken in the U.S. European investigators at the Ramazzini Institute in Italy were similarly ambitious; in their recent study they investigated RF effects in nearly 2,500 rats from the fetal stage until death.


Addressing lifestyle choices affecting heart dissease and diabetes deserve more attention than anything currently known involving cell phones signals. I'd argue that "addiction" to using mobile phones ought to be higher on a list of concerns.

At this point, the more important question appears to be What studies show a statistically significant health concern related to cell phones?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:

At this point, the more important question appears to be What studies show a statistically significant health concern related to cell phones?


Well, as an AGW believer of the CO2 molecule being the sole thing ...uhmmm...
Got your point.

Still will be a coo coo for coo coo puffs over this. As all matter is waves, as well all matter is electricity (charges).
How can we tell all this new tech built around EM and energy do affect organic matter? Just head exposed to EM do show positive cognitiv ability. Will we be smarter than our phones?
Who can regulate all these gadgets safely? Can it start your car by accident, using the same wavelength?

The bigger of all things, the more complex it gets.
The more studies disproving health issues the more rigorous the outcome for smart phones.

Finally all new tech feels forced upon us. The use enmasse, no question asked, is dangerous. The positive is, it gets used by the mass realy fast.
Feels like that reasoning around AI I read about went a little bit like this;

- We know we will not be able to controll the outcome, but we need to know how far we can go, so we do it anyways.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Low energy gamma ray" is still a gamma ray - a high energy photon.

"Low energy gamma ray" contains more energy than X-rays then ultraviolet light and then visible light. Radio waves have even lower energy than infrared light.

I'd like to see how a cellphone generates gamma rays from a little battery. Typically you need a very high energy spark to generate gamma rays, and even so it's tough to do so, most of the time it's generated via nuclear decay. X rays are more likely, but it not even generating short wavelength UV, there's not enough energy to generate gamma rays -- other than from radioactive isotopes introduced from refining metals, which can be compared to radioactive potassium uptake in high potassium plants.

Perhaps a Curie experiment needs to be done, sticking a cell phone on an unexposed photographic plate in the dark and seeing where the silver decomposes...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Electromagnetism is out...?
Nothing to see?

I laugh at you all.

EDIT: Mwuahahahahaaaaah!
EDIT2: Hah-hahahahaaah!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're sitting next to your electromagnetic cancer generator as you typed your message. Maybe you should consider not posting anymore.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, who knows, I might have had a stroke seziure right now, before and after this.
...did I? Might be my phone being wired the wrong way. Hey, it's pride week now. Anything is possible.

EDIT: Does we finally know how EM works?
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