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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd much prefer to know how his tax information.


Why? It's none of your business. You're not even a US citizen.


if I were american, I'd want to know.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well CNN are changing their tune

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/04/19/opinions/mueller-report-obama-jennings/index.html?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well CNN are changing their tune

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/04/19/opinions/mueller-report-obama-jennings/index.html?
Are they? The url puts it in the opinion section (which is fine) and the author worked for W. and McConnel. Based on other content, doesn't seem like they've changed their tune at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Two and a half years into his term, President Trump has little to show for breaking with erstwhile Republican Party orthodoxy on trade and budget policy.
Indeed, far from delivering on his promise to cut America’s trade deficit, Trump has presided over a ballooning deficit that’s on pace to be some 25 percent higher than when he took office. This is happening at a time when the budget deficit is widening and the country’s public debt is well on its way to exceeding 90 percent of GDP.

While not coming close to Obama's 100% debt increase, Trump is acting like a typical big spender politician. Not what many of his supporters wanted.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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While not coming close to Obama's 100% debt increase, Trump is acting like a typical big spender politician. Not what many of his supporters wanted.
They may not have wanted it, but they have no justification to have expected it. Trump campaigned on big spending. He also campaigned on a strong economy. The latter seems unlikely to be enough by itself to overcome.Congressional treason. Approaching $22.5T and they continue to ignore it. Any solution would seem to require major, major, major tax reform, possibly with temporary increases "somewhere."
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So spending money on peace and democracy is ok?
Put on your big spender pants!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Congressional treason.
Cool site. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the big artery is the banks. *putting head on the vertical view*
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Two and a half years into his term, President Trump has little to show for breaking with erstwhile Republican Party orthodoxy on trade and budget policy.
Indeed, far from delivering on his promise to cut America’s trade deficit, Trump has presided over a ballooning deficit that’s on pace to be some 25 percent higher than when he took office. This is happening at a time when the budget deficit is widening and the country’s public debt is well on its way to exceeding 90 percent of GDP.

While not coming close to Obama's 100% debt increase, Trump is acting like a typical big spender politician. Not what many of his supporters wanted.

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Federal spending has increased more per year under Trump than it did under Obama:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FGEXPND
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obama also took over during a huge recession. Trump did not.

I didn't like Obama's deficit spending. He presided over not a recovery but asset price inflation. And no, Trump is not the president of the "greatest economy ever". Trump may not even be the president of the greatest economy in the last 10 years.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Two and a half years into his term, President Trump has little to show for breaking with erstwhile Republican Party orthodoxy on trade and budget policy.
Indeed, far from delivering on his promise to cut America’s trade deficit, Trump has presided over a ballooning deficit that’s on pace to be some 25 percent higher than when he took office. This is happening at a time when the budget deficit is widening and the country’s public debt is well on its way to exceeding 90 percent of GDP.

While not coming close to Obama's 100% debt increase, Trump is acting like a typical big spender politician. Not what many of his supporters wanted.

TFA

Federal spending has increased more per year under Trump than it did under Obama:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FGEXPND
What was the debt when Obama took office? What was the debt when Obama left office?

I'll give you a hint. He doubled the debt. He did in 8 years what took his predecessors over 200 years to accomplish.

@juniper and richk: Why do you have a kneejerk reaction to defend the POS Barry Obama?
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Uh Huh

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@juniper and richk: Why do you have a kneejerk reaction to defend the POS Barry Obama?

Why do you call posting a factual statement a "kneejerk reaction to defend the POS Barry Obama"?

I was expecting you to say "Thank you for providing that helpful piece of factual information. I will endeavor to consider it with an open mind and determine if any of my previous conclusions need to be adjusted".

Okay, not really expecting, but a guy can dream, can't he?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
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@juniper and richk: Why do you have a kneejerk reaction to defend the POS Barry Obama?

Why do you call posting a factual statement a "kneejerk reaction to defend the POS Barry Obama"?

I was expecting you to say "Thank you for providing that helpful piece of factual information. I will endeavor to consider it with an open mind and determine if any of my previous conclusions need to be adjusted".

Okay, not really expecting, but a guy can dream, can't he?
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Obama had low unemployment too.

Please. obama's economy was part time minimum wage. Don't blow smoke up my ass, I live here, and barely had a job during half of obama's reign. The dumb motherfucker stifled the economy with all of the regulations he saddled us with a flourish of his executive order pen. He threw the middle class under the bus, to pander to his Wall Street Masters. The only thing that saved the economy was consumer spending, which constitutes over 70% of the economy. If you want to argue that the economy is not lights out better now than three years ago, then be my guest. :lol:

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The trouble is that we have had more of the same despite the supposed swamp drain. The deficits are massive. The government keeps growing. Defense spending is sky high.
Of course. I hate to break it to you, but the President of the US does not have the power of the President of China. We have this thing called Congress, and the bureaucracy. Richard Nixon's Shadow Government's massive momentum can not be halted overnight. It would take a generation of reversing current policy. Trump has been thwarted by the Swamp at every turn.

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The only difference is the confidence some people have for trump to be different, and that trump is a narcissistic asshole willing to pick fights with NFL players, turning the whole country into a reality show. I agree your pickings were slim, but you all chose wrong in among the offerings.
Only choice we had. Better than that alcoholic, criminal Hillary, or any of the Hillary Lites that were running as Republicans.


Wow, somebody is really distorted here. I even voted for Trump round one, I will not round two. Obama sadly from start to finish of his first term to date beats Trump's. Even if you don't factor in tax cuts and how much prices for most things have gone up. The market was still better overall under Obama, healthcare was good, unemployment great. And no Obama was not a part time economy.

Spending is crazy currently. I'm all for tax cuts but we're spending more than what were making as a country. It's time to cut defence spending, stop giving tax breaks to (any) class and (any) businesses and hold people AND businesses accountable. Facebook just got fined for 5b? That's not even 10% of their earnings.

The government isn't too big, it's inefficient. We have cowards (Congress) spending love there is no tomorrow. Term limits or grown minimums need to be put in place. Also the popular vote needs to come in. People need their voice back, neither Trump nor Obama did that.
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Old School wrote:
richk449 wrote:
Old School wrote:
@juniper and richk: Why do you have a kneejerk reaction to defend the POS Barry Obama?

Why do you call posting a factual statement a "kneejerk reaction to defend the POS Barry Obama"?
because Obama already beat 8 years of Trump. I was hoping this wouldn't be the case but if you average (for example) the stock market gains Obama for 4 year total s&p is up 20% from January and still outperformed to date, even better actually. All in all boy toy Drumpf will be ~30% in the hole by the end of this year.

We need somebody with balls, doesn't want to waste money on a wall land isn't a kiss ass to businesses
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Old School wrote:
juniper wrote:

Obama had low unemployment too.

Please. obama's economy was part time minimum wage. Don't blow smoke up my ass, I live here, and barely had a job during half of obama's reign. The dumb motherfucker stifled the economy with all of the regulations he saddled us with a flourish of his executive order pen. He threw the middle class under the bus, to pander to his Wall Street Masters. The only thing that saved the economy was consumer spending, which constitutes over 70% of the economy. If you want to argue that the economy is not lights out better now than three years ago, then be my guest. :lol:

juniper wrote:
The trouble is that we have had more of the same despite the supposed swamp drain. The deficits are massive. The government keeps growing. Defense spending is sky high.
Of course. I hate to break it to you, but the President of the US does not have the power of the President of China. We have this thing called Congress, and the bureaucracy. Richard Nixon's Shadow Government's massive momentum can not be halted overnight. It would take a generation of reversing current policy. Trump has been thwarted by the Swamp at every turn.

juniper wrote:
The only difference is the confidence some people have for trump to be different, and that trump is a narcissistic asshole willing to pick fights with NFL players, turning the whole country into a reality show. I agree your pickings were slim, but you all chose wrong in among the offerings.
Only choice we had. Better than that alcoholic, criminal Hillary, or any of the Hillary Lites that were running as Republicans.


Wow, somebody is really distorted here. I even voted for Trump round one, I will not round two. Obama sadly from start to finish of his first term to date beats Trump's. Even if you don't factor in tax cuts and how much prices for most things have gone up. The market was still better overall under Obama, healthcare was good, unemployment great. And no Obama was not a part time economy.

Spending is crazy currently. I'm all for tax cuts but we're spending more than what were making as a country. It's time to cut defence spending, stop giving tax breaks to (any) class and (any) businesses and hold people AND businesses accountable. Facebook just got fined for 5b? That's not even 10% of their earnings.

The government isn't too big, it's inefficient. We have cowards (Congress) spending love there is no tomorrow. Term limits or grown minimums need to be put in place. Also the popular vote needs to come in. People need their voice back, neither Trump nor Obama did that.
I don't know what planet you were living on, but there are so many inaccuracies in your post, I don't know where to start. I guess the most telling of the inaccuracies and the one the bears on many of your assertions was Obamanomics were not a part time economy. I will point you to This article that totally refutes that claim. As a matter of fact, you are embarrassingly wrong.
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A new study by economists from Harvard and Princeton indicates that 94% of the 10 million new jobs created during the Obama era were temporary positions.

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Hell-Razor wrote:
Old School wrote:
juniper wrote:

Obama had low unemployment too.

Please. obama's economy was part time minimum wage. Don't blow smoke up my ass, I live here, and barely had a job during half of obama's reign. The dumb motherfucker stifled the economy with all of the regulations he saddled us with a flourish of his executive order pen. He threw the middle class under the bus, to pander to his Wall Street Masters. The only thing that saved the economy was consumer spending, which constitutes over 70% of the economy. If you want to argue that the economy is not lights out better now than three years ago, then be my guest. :lol:

juniper wrote:
The trouble is that we have had more of the same despite the supposed swamp drain. The deficits are massive. The government keeps growing. Defense spending is sky high.
Of course. I hate to break it to you, but the President of the US does not have the power of the President of China. We have this thing called Congress, and the bureaucracy. Richard Nixon's Shadow Government's massive momentum can not be halted overnight. It would take a generation of reversing current policy. Trump has been thwarted by the Swamp at every turn.

juniper wrote:
The only difference is the confidence some people have for trump to be different, and that trump is a narcissistic asshole willing to pick fights with NFL players, turning the whole country into a reality show. I agree your pickings were slim, but you all chose wrong in among the offerings.
Only choice we had. Better than that alcoholic, criminal Hillary, or any of the Hillary Lites that were running as Republicans.


Wow, somebody is really distorted here. I even voted for Trump round one, I will not round two. Obama sadly from start to finish of his first term to date beats Trump's. Even if you don't factor in tax cuts and how much prices for most things have gone up. The market was still better overall under Obama, healthcare was good, unemployment great. And no Obama was not a part time economy.

Spending is crazy currently. I'm all for tax cuts but we're spending more than what were making as a country. It's time to cut defence spending, stop giving tax breaks to (any) class and (any) businesses and hold people AND businesses accountable. Facebook just got fined for 5b? That's not even 10% of their earnings.

The government isn't too big, it's inefficient. We have cowards (Congress) spending love there is no tomorrow. Term limits or grown minimums need to be put in place. Also the popular vote needs to come in. People need their voice back, neither Trump nor Obama did that.
I don't know what planet you were living on, but there are so many inaccuracies in your post, I don't know where to start. I guess the most telling of the inaccuracies and the one the bears on many of your assertions was Obamanomics were not a part time economy. I will point you to This article that totally refutes that claim. As a matter of fact, you are embarrassingly wrong.
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A new study by economists from Harvard and Princeton indicates that 94% of the 10 million new jobs created during the Obama era were temporary positions.


Lolol. Sorry man, I don't post opinion papers and claim they are fact. Your website doesn't state any sources, it says a recent study (which study? Was it done by Paul Ryan? Where are the results and any data that comes with it?).

Your hero Drumpf to date is a failure, and has been beaten by Obama in almost every metric Americans measure. Inaccuracy you claim? Typical, look at the s&p average, add up 4 years of Obama and 4 years of Drumpf, divide each result by 4 and tell me again I'm wrong. You won't though, most Republicans will try to find any excuse to not do research.

https://www.macrotrends.net/2526/sp-500-historical-annual-returns
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Lets say I am fighting war against QBerts.
Then Some of the QBerts fights it's way to my shores.
Then, hear this!, then I welcome them!
Even more so, they set my home on fire!
And my media hide that to make people comply to the dogma, that is, all QBerts are for our own good. Saves the society of ME.

This is what Trump is fighting against. He's doing a hell'uv a job for doing what needs to be done. He's like the Kadaffi of the western world.
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I just watched this clip from bitChute: https://www.bitchute.com/video/ohmeTMgQxWDh/
Not just...like 2-3 hrs ago or such...
What pops up to just makes me a usual paranoid? : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbM2_-JeDuY
Nothing to see here..move on!
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Lets say I am fighting war against QBerts.
Then Some of the QBerts fights it's way to my shores.
Then, hear this!, then I welcome them!
Even more so, they set my home on fire!
And my media hide that to make people comply to the dogma, that is, all QBerts are for our own good. Saves the society of ME.

This is what Trump is fighting against. He's doing a hell'uv a job for doing what needs to be done. He's like the Kadaffi of the western world.
which is why you don't trust the media?

Trump is only fighting to put money into the hands of the rich. He's actually doing a
mediocre job at best. I don't care if the left, right, middle, top or bottom sides are in office, I want results and unity. I'm not going to trust somebody that hasn't provided much and thinks it's ok to waste money (border wall, just so happens Mexico isn't paying for it and these big rich businesses are providing the drugs through other means).

Unfortunately the left has a better track record than the right when it comes to returns and results.

Sources:
https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2016/6/the-economy-under-democratic-vs-republican-presidents
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2019/07/11/us-authorities-seize-20-tons-of-cocaine-from-ship-owned-by-jp-morgan/amp/
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/02/chart-day-republican-vs-democratic-spending/

Don't trust me though, do your own research. I voted for the idiot the first round, won't be the second.
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The American Left is evil.
money is power, more rich on the right.

Glad to see you are giving out opinions.
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Lets say I am fighting war against QBerts.
Then Some of the QBerts fights it's way to my shores.
Then, hear this!, then I welcome them!
Even more so, they set my home on fire!
And my media hide that to make people comply to the dogma, that is, all QBerts are for our own good. Saves the society of ME.

This is what Trump is fighting against. He's doing a hell'uv a job for doing what needs to be done. He's like the Kadaffi of the western world.
which is why you don't trust the media?


What media?

Besides, money over wealth? Hellooo!
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I'd much prefer to know how his tax information.


Why? It's none of your business. You're not even a US citizen.
uhmmm when you take a job the job does a background check. His job is (well should be but he isn't for...) The people.
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What media?

Besides, money over wealth? Hellooo!
You mentioned media...

Wealth is the value of possessions and money, net worth.

I still don't follow what you're really saying...
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