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irenicus09
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:39 am    Post subject: ungoogled-chromium Reply with quote

Hi, I've discovered a mod of chromium geared towards privacy and it has caught my attention for a while now.

I understand that they offer binary packages, but what I'm interested in knowing is whether it is possible to use portage to install that from source. Or should I consider compiling it manually from source?

From what I've seen on most gentoo overlays, some of the flags offered by the chromium package with similar features to ungoogled are either a hit or a miss.

I haven't been able to get things working for chromium with the features I wanted which are geared towards privacy and also experimenting on my machine
and waiting 12 hours to get the results is too long in my opinion :P

Please let me know what you guys think, I'm open to suggestions and feel free to recommend something that works for you.

Thanks :)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey,

you might be interested in installing chromium from pg_overlay. Its in layman. Heres a thread about it,
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1052030.html

There is no patch for ungoogled to chromium-54 at the moment, but Inox and Iridium do work. I wouldnt recommend installing chromium-53, since its old and has vulnerabilities.

Here's my USE flags,
Code:
[ebuild   R   #] www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101::pg_overlay  USE="cups custom-cflags debian (gn) gtk3 inox (pic) proprietary-codecs pulseaudio system-ffmpeg tcmalloc vaapi widevine -gnome -gnome-keyring -hangouts -iridium -kerberos (-neon) (-selinux) -suid {-test} -ungoogled"


Builds and works wonderfully with +debian +inox.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Juippisi: Okay, so I masked gtk3 in /etc/portage/profile/package.use.mask before running it with the same flags as you suggested.

It's compiling at the moment, see you after 12 hours :P
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the bump, but your custom-cflags got me rekt.

Code:

<command-line>:0:0: warning: "_FORTIFY_SOURCE" redefined
<built-in>: note: this is the location of the previous definition
ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed.
 * ERROR: www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101::pg_overlay failed (compile phase):
 *   (no error message)
 *
 * Call stack:
 *     ebuild.sh, line 115:  Called src_compile
 *   environment, line 5246:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *       eninja -C out/Release ${ninja_targets} || die;
 *
 * If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info '=www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101::pg_overlay'`,
 * the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv '=www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101::pg_overlay'`.
 *
 * You have enabled the custom-cflags USE flag.
 * Please disable it before reporting a bug.
 *
 *
 * MemTotal:        3957752 kB
 * SwapTotal:             0 kB
 *
 * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101/temp/build.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101/temp/environment'.
 * Working directory: '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101/work/chromium-54.0.2840.101'
 * S: '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101/work/chromium-54.0.2840.101'

>>> Failed to emerge www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101, Log file:

>>>  '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101/temp/build.log'

 * Messages for package dev-python/jinja-2.8:

 * For i18n support, please emerge dev-python/Babel.

 * Messages for package www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101:

 * Could not find a Makefile in the kernel source directory.
 * Please ensure that /usr/src/linux points to a complete set of Linux sources
 * Unable to calculate Linux Kernel version for build, attempting to use running version
 * ERROR: www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101::pg_overlay failed (compile phase):
 *   (no error message)
 *
 * Call stack:
 *     ebuild.sh, line 115:  Called src_compile
 *   environment, line 5246:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *       eninja -C out/Release ${ninja_targets} || die;
 *
 * If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info '=www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101::pg_overlay'`,
 * the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv '=www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101::pg_overlay'`.
 *
 * You have enabled the custom-cflags USE flag.
 * Please disable it before reporting a bug.
 *
 * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101/temp/build.log'.
 * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101/temp/environment'.
 * Working directory: '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101/work/chromium-54.0.2840.101'
 * S: '/var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101/work/chromium-54.0.2840.101'

 * GNU info directory index is up-to-date.

!!! existing preserved libs:
>>> package: dev-lang/python-3.4.5
 *  - /usr/lib64/libpython3.4.so.1.0
 *      used by /usr/lib64/libboost_python-3.4.so.1.56.0 (dev-libs/boost-1.56.0-r1)
 *      used by /usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/Crypto/Cipher/_AES.cpython-34.so (dev-python/pycrypto-2.6.1)
 *      used by /usr/lib64/python3.4/site-packages/Crypto/Cipher/_ARC2.cpython-34.so (dev-python/pycrypto-2.6.1)
 *      used by 60 other files
>>> package: dev-libs/protobuf-2.6.1-r3
 *  - /usr/lib64/libprotobuf.so.8
 *  - /usr/lib64/libprotobuf.so.8.0.0
 *      used by /usr/bin/mosh-client (net-misc/mosh-1.2.4)
 *      used by /usr/bin/mosh-server (net-misc/mosh-1.2.4)
>>> package: media-libs/giflib-5.1.4
 *  - /usr/lib64/libgif.so.4
 *  - /usr/lib64/libgif.so.4.1.6
 *      used by /usr/lib64/imlib2/loaders/gif.so (media-libs/imlib2-1.4.9)
Use emerge @preserved-rebuild to rebuild packages using these libraries



I usually have that flag disabled, but seeing that you enabled it decided to give it a try :?

I'm about to try again perhaps it'll work out this time.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to grep 'error' or 'failed' from /var/tmp/portage/www-client/chromium-54.0.2840.101/temp/build.log because what you pasted tells absolutely nothing. What CFLAGs / linker are you using? Chromium should build with -flto and clang...

Also does it have to be chromium? I think you can modify Firefox greatly to respect your privacy. If it took me 12 hours to compile something I wouldnt use it, especially if it doesnt compile after one shot.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm...I'm typing this from Firefox at the moment :P

Firefox is okay but I wanted to give Chromium another shot, it kind of felt faster than Firefox on my slower netbook. Especially when loading tabs or sites. Perhaps because it consumes more RAM so things load faster.

Gentoo has taught me patience, I really didn't know what patience was till I went through my first Gentoo install. :)

See you after 12 hours my friend :P
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was looking for Ungoogled-Chromium as well and there is an unofficial overlay that worked for me: https://gitlab.com/chaoslab/chaoslab-overlay/tree/master/www-client/ungoogled-chromium. Binary is also provided, if wanted: https://gitlab.com/chaoslab/chaoslab-overlay/tree/master/www-client/ungoogled-chromium-bin.

It's part of the chaoslab oberlay, also including other software. Add it with

Code:
layman -fa chaoslab
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also an other overlay, PF4Public, which was updated recently:
https://github.com/PF4Public/gentoo-overlay/tree/master/www-client/ungoogled-chromium

And ungoogled-chromium is also available from here:
https://github.com/stefantalpalaru/gentoo-overlay
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can find newer versions here: https://gitlab.com/chaoslab/chaoslab-overlay
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stefantalpalaru wrote:
You can find newer versions here: https://gitlab.com/chaoslab/chaoslab-overlay


Unfortunately, this overlay stalled. I continued it, from where Ian Moone left it.

I'm also building binaries: https://github.com/PF4Public/gentoo-overlay/tree/master/www-client/ungoogled-chromium-bin

No promises whatsoever, though…
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PF4Public wrote:
stefantalpalaru wrote:
You can find newer versions here: https://gitlab.com/chaoslab/chaoslab-overlay


Unfortunately, this overlay stalled. I continued it, from where Ian Moone left it.

I'm also building binaries: https://github.com/PF4Public/gentoo-overlay/tree/master/www-client/ungoogled-chromium-bin

No promises whatsoever, though…


that looks awesome !

options ! we needs options and choices, control !

Thanks :D
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

using current version from https://github.com/gekola/overload

and it's working fine watching NF and or AMZN, so far.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@CooSee, show, please
Package Settings
Code:
emerge --info ungoogled-chromium
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect Gentleman wrote:
@CooSee, show, please
Package Settings
Code:
emerge --info ungoogled-chromium


sure :roll:

Code:
emerge --info ungoogled-chromium
Portage 2.3.68 (python 3.7.3-final-0, funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/arch/x86-64bit, gcc-9.2.0, glibc-2.30-r2, 5.3.9-gentoo-1 x86_64)
=================================================================
                         System Settings
=================================================================
System uname: Linux-5.3.9-gentoo-1-x86_64-Intel-R-_Xeon-R-_CPU_E3-1245_v5_@_3.50GHz-with-gentoo-1.4
KiB Mem:    32853148 total,  28791432 free
KiB Swap:    1048572 total,   1048572 free
Head commit of repository compiz-reloaded: 1b301b7993369441a68b6152b387c99fc6a067a2

sh bash 5.0_p7
ld GNU ld (Gentoo 2.32 p2) 2.32.0
ccache version 3.7.1 [disabled]
app-shells/bash:          5.0_p7::core-kit
dev-lang/perl:            5.30.0::layees
dev-lang/python:          2.7.15::python-kit, 3.7.3::python-kit
dev-util/ccache:          3.7.1::core-kit
dev-util/cmake:           3.15.5::layees
sys-apps/baselayout:      2.6.1-r1::core-kit
sys-apps/openrc:          0.41.2-r2::core-kit
sys-apps/sandbox:         2.17::core-kit
sys-devel/autoconf:       2.13-r1::core-kit, 2.69-r4::core-kit
sys-devel/automake:       1.15.1-r2::core-kit, 1.16.1-r1::core-kit
sys-devel/binutils:       2.32-r1::core-kit
sys-devel/gcc:            9.2.0::core-kit
sys-devel/gcc-config:     2.0::core-kit
sys-devel/libtool:        2.4.6-r5::core-kit
sys-devel/make:           4.2.1-r4::core-kit
sys-kernel/linux-headers: 5.3-r1::layees (virtual/os-headers)
sys-libs/glibc:           2.30-r2::layees
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    location: /var/git/meta-repo/kits/haskell-kit
    masters: core-kit
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    masters: core-kit
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lang-kit
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    location: /var/git/meta-repo/kits/lisp-scheme-kit
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Installed sets: @compiz_live_builds, @mate_live_builds
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="amd64 ~amd64"
ACCEPT_LICENSE="*"
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CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe"
CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/share/gnupg/qualified.txt"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/dconf /etc/env.d /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/gentoo-release /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/sandbox.d /etc/terminfo"
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FEATURES="assume-digests binpkg-docompress binpkg-dostrip binpkg-logs buildpkg clean-logs config-protect-if-modified distlocks ebuild-locks fixlafiles ipc-sandbox merge-sync multilib-strict network-sandbox news parallel-fetch pid-sandbox preserve-libs protect-owned sandbox sfperms split-log strict unknown-features-warn unmerge-logs unmerge-orphans userfetch userpriv usersandbox usersync xattr"
FFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="https://fastpull-us.funtoo.org"
INSTALL_MASK="/etc/systemd/ /usr/lib/systemd/ /lib/systemd/"
LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
LDFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe"
LINGUAS="en_US"
MAKEOPTS="-j9 -s"
PKGDIR="/var/cache/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT="/"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
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Unset:  CPPFLAGS, CTARGET, ENV_UNSET, LC_ALL, PORTAGE_BINHOST, PORTAGE_BUNZIP2_COMMAND, PORTAGE_COMPRESS, PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS

=================================================================
                        Package Settings
=================================================================

www-client/ungoogled-chromium-78.0.3904.87_p1::layees was built with the following:
USE="-cfi clang -closure-compile -cups -custom-cflags -gnome -gold jumbo-build -kerberos -libcxx lld -new-tcmalloc -optimize-thinlto -optimize-webui pdf proprietary-codecs pulseaudio (-selinux) -suid system-double-conversion system-ffmpeg -system-harfbuzz system-icu system-jsoncpp system-libevent system-libvpx system-openh264 system-openjpeg tcmalloc -thinlto vaapi widevine" L10N="-am -ar -bg -bn -ca -cs -da -de -el -en-GB -es -es-419 -et -fa -fi -fil -fr -gu -he -hi -hr -hu -id -it -ja -kn -ko -lt -lv -ml -mr -ms -nb -nl -pl -pt-BR -pt-PT -ro -ru -sk -sl -sr -sv -sw -ta -te -th -tr -uk -vi -zh-CN -zh-TW" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 -python3_5 -python3_6 python3_7"
CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe -Wno-unknown-warning-option -Wno-builtin-macro-redefined"
CXXFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe -Wno-unknown-warning-option -Wno-builtin-macro-redefined"
FEATURES="assume-digests binpkg-docompress binpkg-dostrip binpkg-logs buildpkg ccache clean-logs config-protect-if-modified distlocks ebuild-locks fixlafiles ipc-sandbox merge-sync multilib-strict network-sandbox news parallel-fetch pid-sandbox preserve-libs protect-owned sandbox sfperms split-log strict unknown-features-warn unmerge-logs unmerge-orphans userfetch userpriv usersandbox usersync xattr"


there's one little error with " ungoogled-chromium-fix-unique-ptr-r1.patch " >> rename it to " ungoogled-chromium-fix-unique-ptr.patch "

greetings
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CooSee wrote:
using current version from https://github.com/gekola/overload

and it's working fine watching NF and or AMZN, so far.

greetings


He seems to have a patched libvpx 1.8.1 to work with latest version of chromium
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PF4Public wrote:
CooSee wrote:
using current version from https://github.com/gekola/overload

and it's working fine watching NF and or AMZN, so far.

greetings


He seems to have a patched libvpx 1.8.1 to work with latest version of chromium


yes !

there's a version in this overlay >> media-libs/libvpx-1.8.1-r100
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO, UGC from pf4public is better.
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