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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:14 pm    Post subject: First Gentoo experience...horrible [solved] Reply with quote

I am attempting to install from a stage 3 tarball. Tried to install genkernel-next under the desktop/kde/systemd profile. When I install genkernel-next, it tries to install systemd, which is blocked. On some advice, I compiled gcc, glibc, and binutils. Then did an emerge newuse world to no avail. Ok the block is solved but the last command keeps telling me the C compiler cannot create executables, as does now emerging genkernel-next. Why would this be on a fresh tarball? Only use flags I use are those spit by /proc/cpuinfo. Seems I can't install anything but a few things. All terminate with that ominous error. Worst distro install experience ever! 48 hours and no base system working.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Selinia. Welcome to Gentoo! :)

First of all, if you don't want systemd, then don't use the systemd profile. Use this one instead:
Code:
default/linux/x86/13.0/desktop/kde
In fact, what many people do us use a non-desktop profile until their system is self-sustaining so that a lot of GUI stuff isn't brought in before it's strictly needed. If this is appealing to you, you might want to try the
Code:
default/linux/x86/13.0
profile instead.

The "C compiler can't create executables" error is often caused by a typo in make.conf. Could you post the output of
Code:
emerge --info
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Systemd is required for what I want to do. KDE is desirable with some thoughts of trying e18. Kind of liked e17 but it needed a bit more polish. Seems the issue is no longer systemd which I bypassed the dependency issue but the fact my C compiler seems to not work for random things. All it says is it cannot create an executable. Tried coreutils but cannot install due to that error. Same applies to cpio which gets pulled in by genkernel-next.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, understood. And the "emerge --info"?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I went to compile gcc again, which for some reason compiles, so that will take about an hour. Maybe this will help us, the contents of my make.conf while the computer is busy.
Code:
# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically
# built this stage.
# Please consult /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example for a more
# detailed example.
CFLAGS="march=native -O2 -pipe"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
# WARNING: Changing your CHOST is not something that should be done lightly.
# Please consult http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/change-chost.xml before changing.
CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
# These are the USE flags that were used in addition to what is provided by the
# profile used for building.
USE="bindist multilib mmx sse sse2 fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi fxsr ss ht tm pbe syscall nx rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid popcnt lahf_lm arat dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
DISTDIR="${PORTDIR}/distfiles"
PKGDIR="${PORTDIR}/packages"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep. Typo in the CFLAGS variable. Change
Code:
CFLAGS="march=native -O2 -pipe"
to
Code:
CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe"
and that error should disappear. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here, I stopped it because you probably have a better chance of helping me than recompiling gcc
Code:
sysresccd temp # emerge --info
Portage 2.2.8-r2 (default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/kde, gcc-4.8.3, glibc-2.19-r1, 3.10.55-std440-amd64 x86_64)
=================================================================
System uname: Linux-3.10.55-std440-amd64-x86_64-Intel-R-_Pentium-R-_CPU_G6951_@_2.80GHz-with-gentoo-2.2
KiB Mem:     5972416 total,   2103288 free
KiB Swap:          0 total,         0 free
Timestamp of tree: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 05:00:01 +0000
ld GNU ld (Gentoo 2.24 p1.4) 2.24
app-shells/bash:          4.2_p53
dev-lang/perl:            5.18.2-r2
dev-lang/python:          2.7.7, 3.3.5-r1, 3.4.1
dev-util/pkgconfig:       0.28-r1
sys-apps/baselayout:      2.2
sys-apps/openrc:          0.12.4
sys-apps/sandbox:         2.6-r1
sys-devel/autoconf:       2.69
sys-devel/automake:       1.13.4
sys-devel/binutils:       2.24-r3
sys-devel/gcc:            4.8.3
sys-devel/gcc-config:     1.7.3
sys-devel/libtool:        2.4.2-r1
sys-devel/make:           4.0-r1
sys-kernel/linux-headers: 3.13 (virtual/os-headers)
sys-libs/glibc:           2.19-r1
Repositories: gentoo
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="amd64"
ACCEPT_LICENSE="* -@EULA"
CBUILD="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="march=native -O2 -pipe"
CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/share/gnupg/qualified.txt"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d /etc/gconf /etc/gentoo-release /etc/sandbox.d /etc/terminfo"
CXXFLAGS="march=native -O2 -pipe"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
FCFLAGS="-O2 -pipe"
FEATURES="assume-digests binpkg-logs config-protect-if-modified distlocks ebuild-locks fixlafiles merge-sync news parallel-fetch preserve-libs protect-owned sandbox sfperms strict unknown-features-warn unmerge-logs unmerge-orphans userfetch userpriv usersandbox usersync"
FFLAGS="-O2 -pipe"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://distfiles.gentoo.org"
LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT="/"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --omit-dir-times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --human-readable --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=""
USE="X a52 aac acl acpi alsa amd64 aperfmperf apic arat arch_perfmon berkdb bindist bluetooth branding bts bzip2 cairo cdda cdr clflush cli cmov consolekit constant_tsc cracklib crypt cups cx16 cx8 cxx dbus de declarative dri ds_cpl dtes64 dtherm dts dvd dvdr emboss encode ept est exif fam firefox flac flexpriority fortran fpu fxsr gdbm gif glamor gpm gtk ht iconv ipv6 jpeg kde kipi lahf_lm lcms ldap libnotify lm mad mca mce mmx mng modules monitor mp3 mp4 mpeg msr mtrr multilib ncurses nls nonstop_tsc nopl nptl nx ogg opengl openmp pae pam pango pat pbe pcid pcre pdcm pdf pebs pge phonon plasma png pni policykit popcnt ppds pse pse36 qt3support qt4 rdtscp readline rep_good sdl semantic-desktop sep session spell ss sse sse2 ssl ssse3 startup-notification svg syscall tcpd tiff tm tm2 tpr_shadow truetype tsc udev udisks unicode upower usb vme vmx vnmi vorbis vpid wxwidgets x264 xcb xcomposite xinerama xml xscreensaver xtopology xtpr xv xvid zlib" ABI_X86="64" ALSA_CARDS="ali5451 als4000 atiixp atiixp-modem bt87x ca0106 cmipci emu10k1x ens1370 ens1371 es1938 es1968 fm801 hda-intel intel8x0 intel8x0m maestro3 trident usb-audio via82xx via82xx-modem ymfpci" APACHE2_MODULES="authn_core authz_core socache_shmcb unixd actions alias auth_basic authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache cgi cgid dav dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir usertrack vhost_alias" CALLIGRA_FEATURES="kexi words flow plan sheets stage tables krita karbon braindump author" CAMERAS="ptp2" COLLECTD_PLUGINS="df interface irq load memory rrdtool swap syslog" ELIBC="glibc" GPSD_PROTOCOLS="ashtech aivdm earthmate evermore fv18 garmin garmintxt gpsclock itrax mtk3301 nmea ntrip navcom oceanserver oldstyle oncore rtcm104v2 rtcm104v3 sirf superstar2 timing tsip tripmate tnt ublox ubx" INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse evdev" KERNEL="linux" LCD_DEVICES="bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text" LIBREOFFICE_EXTENSIONS="presenter-console presenter-minimizer" OFFICE_IMPLEMENTATION="libreoffice" PHP_TARGETS="php5-5" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_3" RUBY_TARGETS="ruby19 ruby20" USERLAND="GNU" VIDEO_CARDS="fbdev glint intel mach64 mga nouveau nv r128 radeon savage sis tdfx trident vesa via vmware dummy v4l" XTABLES_ADDONS="quota2 psd pknock lscan length2 ipv4options ipset ipp2p iface geoip fuzzy condition tee tarpit sysrq steal rawnat logmark ipmark dhcpmac delude chaos account"
Unset:  CPPFLAGS, CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, INSTALL_MASK, LC_ALL, PORTAGE_BUNZIP2_COMMAND, PORTAGE_COMPRESS, PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS, PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS, SYNC, USE_PYTHON
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok I will give it a go.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John already did: add "-" before "march=..." so that it is "-march=....".
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incidentally, the gcc compile would've failed out at some point, too. Probably the early stage xgcc compile doesn't use the CFLAGS variable.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Due to the profile change, I executed emerge --newuse world and it got past the error. Gawd, do I feel silly for that minor syntax error. Looks like the community here is at least helpful if I run into further snags. Thank you for your help.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Selenia wrote:
Due to the profile change, I executed emerge --newuse world and it got past the error. Gawd, do I feel silly for that minor syntax error. Looks like the community here is at least helpful if I run into further snags. Thank you for your help.
You are not the first to miss a character in CFLAGS.

Our helpfulness is proportional to the amount of information you give us. You should always read error messages carefully, post them exactly (no paraphrasing), and post any information the error message suggests to post. In most cases, if you do not post that information, someone will respond telling you to post it, then wait for your response.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys did great. I seen questions on other distros that the user gave information that I felt compelled to help with because nobody else did. You guys solved my issue in a quick and friendly manner, which is encouraging. I did encounter another big dependency snag but managed to resolve it myself and now have the base system with systemd built and kde almost built. I like to solve my own issues when I can so I don't post much. It keeps my mind sharp. I am actually liking the unique package system now that I feel in control of it ;) Still got lots to learn. I been a long term Debian user for home and Red Hat/CentOS user at work.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To answer your subject line: do not worry, it gets better. My first install took three attempts before I had a bootable system. That was not fun on a 1GHz G4. :)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would you mind editing your original post ("edit" button at top right) and marking it "[solved]" (or changing "horrible" to something else;) in the subject line; as it appears as something that hasn't been resolved.

And welcome to Gentoo :-)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first install was on an IBM Thinkpad with a Pentium Pro @233MHz and 128MB of RAM. It took three days before the laptop could even boot by itself. ;-)

However, my advice is this:

When installing a new gentoo system, go by the handbook but choose the minimum profile available.
This means, if you want to end up using
Code:
default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/kde/systemd
then start with
Code:
default/linux/amd64/13.0
while you are still in your chroot environment, meaning you were booting of an install medium.

Then when you install what is described by the handbook and it appears that a lot of packages are pulled in, it is most likely due to a USE flag that was set but is not needed to get your machine to boot by itself. So answer the emerge question (You *do* use the --ask argument, right? ;)) with "No" and restart with
Code:
USE="-*" emerge foo
helps speeding up the install of the base system a lot!
If any USE flags are absolutely needed, just add them then to get going. Like if this attempt failed, because the flag "bar" must be enabled, just retry with
Code:
USE="-* bar" emerge foo

You can do the full system update with your wanted profile and USE flags later when the machine can boot by itself.

Basically it is not a big deal to have a booting system within 2 hours. Everything else can wait.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel like going
Code:
USE=-*
isn't a good hint for a beginner since that way you end up for example with a gcc without c++ support (cxx useflag). It can be good but you really need to understand what a useflag does or it will cause issues - especially with people that aren't into useflags (because they are beginners).

Starting with a minimal system, reboot into that and then haul in the big ones (DEs, open-/libreoffice, browsers and the like) is definitely a good advice.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

N8Fear wrote:
I feel like going
Code:
USE=-*
isn't a good hint for a beginner

I'd have to agree with that; really you want changes from the base profiles, unless you know what you're doing (and personally I wouldn't anyhow.)
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N8Fear wrote:
I feel like going
Code:
USE=-*
isn't a good hint for a beginner since that way you end up for example with a gcc without c++ support (cxx useflag). It can be good but you really need to understand what a useflag does or it will cause issues - especially with people that aren't into useflags (because they are beginners).

Starting with a minimal system, reboot into that and then haul in the big ones (DEs, open-/libreoffice, browsers and the like) is definitely a good advice.

Yes. That is why I wrote to go by the handbook, and if any package that is to be emerged due to following the handbook steps pulls in too many dependencies, then re-trying with USE="-*" will speed up things a lot.

The handbook does not tell you to re-emerge gcc.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveL wrote:
N8Fear wrote:
I feel like going
Code:
USE=-*
isn't a good hint for a beginner

I'd have to agree with that; really you want changes from the base profiles, unless you know what you're doing (and personally I wouldn't anyhow.)
Problem is, that the handbook advices you to edit your USE flags and starts with adding stuff like a desktop profile and kde USE flag.
Chapter 6, Section 2, "Configuring the USE variable" even has as an example:
Code:
USE="-gtk -gnome qt4 kde dvd alsa cdr"
This with a desktop profile (which enables "X") and an "emerge --deep --update @world" will make you wait for ages before your first boot.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamakuzure wrote:
Problem is, that the handbook advices you to edit your USE flags and starts with adding stuff like a desktop profile and kde USE flag.
Chapter 6, Section 2, "Configuring the USE variable" even has as an example:
Code:
USE="-gtk -gnome qt4 kde dvd alsa cdr"
This with a desktop profile (which enables "X") and an "emerge --deep --update @world" will make you wait for ages before your first boot.

Ah ok. I just do a:
Code:
USE=-X emerge -av system
(sometimes with -e) before I reboot (which is getting the kernel setup to boot from rootfs without needing modules) and then sort out the rest. They all end up getting rebuilt when the new flags kick in anyhow (X alone for instance pulls in a load of crap, ime, that I don't want to be dealing with pre-kernel, including on the toolchain.)

Post-reboot, it's getting startx to run (usually just with twm, though it's been a while), then Qt and kdelibs, though next time I'll probably do CUPS first.

Once kate is running, I'm back in my comfort zone; emerge yakuake and everything else is easy. ;)
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Topic title sorted. I am a beginner to Gentoo but not compiling or use flags. I been doing both on Debian for quite awhile to make kernels and generate packages that supported features I needed where stock ones didn't, optimize cpu intensive applications, and make compatible packages where none were available. The idea behind Gentoo has appealed for quite awhile and so I decided to go full in and try it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Selenia wrote:
Topic title sorted. I am a beginner to Gentoo but not compiling or use flags. I been doing both on Debian for quite awhile to make kernels and generate packages that supported features I needed where stock ones didn't, optimize cpu intensive applications, and make compatible packages where none were available. The idea behind Gentoo has appealed for quite awhile and so I decided to go full in and try it.

I did the same with SuSE for many years before I came to gentoo: I provided many packages (some quite complex) which were not part of the official distribution and also not provided by other users.
But with gentoo I learnt really new stuff and how things are packaged "better" (not only rather trivial things like avoiding bundling of libs, but also the pitfalls of .la files, -Wl,--as-needed etc.). I would never go back unless I have to. And the merits of USE-flags are unbeatable and unique across distributions (except for derived distributions):
There is no other way to get rid of packages which you might not want for some reason or another but which are optionally supported by many other packages (policykit, avahi, systemd, pam, nepomuk [or its successor whose name I forgot], policykit, blueray, acl, unneeded translations, ....)
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mv wrote:
nepomuk [or its successor whose name I forgot]
baloo :)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In regards to systemd since it sounds like you hate it, I can see why the developer community hates it due to its all encompassing nature, forcing devs to take all or nothing but gradually being forced to use it due to other big projects depending on it, like Gnome 3. On that end, it limiys flexibility. For the end user, it is not so bad because it provides a common uniform interface for packages to build against. As an end user, it serves me well. Mainly because since the switch, I have not had to tackle race issues with some hardware support and software setups(with sysVinit and especially upstart). I have better things to worry about than my init setup, so as a user, I stick with what just works.
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