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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:43 am    Post subject: Back - after nine years. . . Reply with quote

Hi, everybody.

It's been at least 15 years since I installed a Linux system and more than a few years since I abandoned it.

So, today I'm 68 and I just discovered that Win10 is NOT for me, and I want to move on.

The last Linux was Sabayon, with which I was moderatly happy. That was initially a Gentoo system and I did love the way portage worked, but the way Sabayon just never got finished was so frustrating ( and since then has gotten worse it seems ) that I am now looking for the real thing. You can decide for yourself how much of a 'noob' I am - it's probably bad. Since retirement I at least have lots of time now, and I am focused on getting it right from the beginning.

My first issue is with the 'Handbook' where I really cannot find indications or instructions for modern CPU's. After 'K8' it stops. That was modern/antiquated about nine years ago, if I'm not mistaken. Which mirror should I visit if my CPU is a AMD FX 4170 and further when the 'minimal' CD is installed Must I use any 'stage3' or can I compile and configure something directly off 'i-net'?

I will no doubt end up with many more questions, but we'll get to that in good time, I suppose.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do not install anything from minimal CD. You do not need minimal CD. All you need is a recent 64-bit Linux CD/DVD which allows you to use shell. Then you download and unpack 64-bit stage3 - this is going to be the base of your Gentoo Linux until you rebuild it with your own make.conf.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, no I wasn't being clear - I write this from my Windows puter and I have not started my Linux yet, so must need a base Linux system to start. Any old Linux's are gone!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use sysrescuecd see my sig.
The minimal Gentoo cd is,well,minimal.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@gerard82:

Thank you, Gerard.

I will check up on that. The machine I have targeted for this is not quite ready yet so this is fine, I'll need some time to prepare and adjust myself. A browser will be fine.

One step at a time. . .
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code:
* app-portage/cpuinfo2cpuflags
     Available versions:  1 (~)2 {PYTHON_TARGETS="pypy python2_7 python3_3 python3_4"}
     Homepage:            https://bitbucket.org/mgorny/cpuinfo2cpuflags
     Description:         Tool to guess CPU_FLAGS_X86 flags for the host


so you know what to enter for those make.conf flags ... thats a fairly new package ..
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ozmosis,

Welcome back. We knew you would come, just not when.

Unlike binary distros, the Gentoo CD only provides the tools needed to accomplish the install.
None of the code ends up in your install. The binary for that is the stage3 tarball.
This means you can use any Linux toolkit you have to hand. There is one restriction, you must boot a 64 bit kernel to do a 64 bit install.

k8 was the original AMD64 bit CPU family. Its grown a little over the years.

Using your Windows, fetch SystemRescueCD and put it on a USB key.
You can boot it, look around, read the handbook online, post here and join in IRC in #gentoo at irc.freenode.net
When you are ready, you can either remove Windows, or set up a Windows/Gentoo dual boot system.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@tw04l124:

Of all my old Linux references I don't have any Python at all, I'm affraid. If I must use it for make.conf I certainly will and I shall definitly eyeball it at least once, I s'pose it comes in handy anyway as a learning resource.

Thank you!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@NeddySeagoon:

I was really only used to installing those mag coverdisks before but decided to roll my own this time. It brought me a couple of surprises but it isn't reallly so curious on reflection. I have two machines of which one is expected to be the target for linux in the next week or so after some dusting and cleaning and fitting a new cooler, and I'm beginning to form an idea of the steps involved for Linux itself.

Many, many thanks for, what I remember as a very exciting distro, good work all Gentoos!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ozmosis, download the latest sysrescuecd from here:http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemrescuecd/files/sysresccd-x86/4.5.4/

I recommend picking choice 7 from the boot menu, it's what I use. If it doesn't work for you, there are many other choices.

P.S. I don't understand a word of Python, so that's no barrier.

P.P.S. At 68, you are just a baby!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ozmosis, back in April I bought a new laptop and installed Gentoo on it. Although it's not a 'How To', you might find my blog post A new laptop somewhat helpful, as I explained in it the various steps I went through.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Tony0945:

I did collect that one yesterday and I am still debating myself wether to put it on a USB or a CD?

I have never used thumbdrives in this manner, so CD's are a more natural option for me, but I have to wonder what are the pro/con differences to any one?

SInce my machine is still split in atoms there is still time to figure this.

I have PERL and BASH references and that should support me for the time being, until I mature.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Fitzcarraldo:

Your Blog is quite interresting, I had a old HP zv5000 myself that had Linux on it for a while, it ultimatly didn't work so well as the trackpad was giving me headaches. Other than that it was a beautyful Sabayon install with Compiz and all. Now I have a small Win8.1 (also HP) that I essentially only use for obtaining radio in the car (Soma FM & RadioParadise) and Google World, that I will never update over it's own version.

I also seem to remember your tag from somewhere, maybe 08 - 09???
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ozmosis wrote:
@Tony0945:

I did collect that one yesterday and I am still debating myself wether to put it on a USB or a CD?

I have never used thumbdrives in this manner, so CD's are a more natural option for me, but I have to wonder what are the pro/con differences to any one?

SInce my machine is still split in atoms there is still time to figure this.

I have PERL and BASH references and that should support me for the time being, until I mature.

Thanks.


It really depends on your BIOS. There is a script on their web page to make a bootable USB from the iso. I have both. One of my machines has two DVD players so I keep a cd-rom in one all the time. The USB is real handy for today's laptops and notebooks. The machine with two DVD's also has a BIOS that's tempermental about USB boot. You probably won't have that problem with a modern motherboard.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I shall definitely be relying on that home page when the time comes.

I too have two machines - one with UEFI, one with BIOS I am still unsure of which will be what in the end? The one with the BIOS is the one being assembled here at the moment.

Just need some stable temperatures, this summer is killing me, trouble sleeping and eating mostly. Usually the eye lids get very heavy soon as I see the pillow.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ozmosis wrote:

Just need some stable temperatures, this summer is killing me, trouble sleeping and eating mostly. Usually the eye lids get very heavy soon as I see the pillow.


Here too, suburban Chicago. Near 100(F) temperatures, high humidity and mosquitos everywhere. I try to pull weeds in the early morning before breakfast but the humidity is stifling. Hang in there, build those machines, and enjoy Windows-free computing.
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