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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:03 am    Post subject: Installing Gentoo without Internet Reply with quote

Hi,

I am totally new to Linux. I was not able to find any instruction that describes the installation steps that needs to be performed on a PC without any Internet connection.

The reason for this question is because of the fact that the default Internet broadband speed is 256Kbps out here. I have downloaded the minimal installation disc iso and the Stage 3 tarball.

Any help on the above would be highly appreciated.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to Gentoo!

If I understand you correctly there is no faster internet near by. Given that, I'd accept the slow speed. Gentoo is source based so you only need to download text files and a few images. The real bottleneck may still end up being the compiler.

There really is no good way to do an offline install. If you are familiar with Gentoo and have a working system you can copy the files from it can be done, but doing it fresh is another story. There are probably 50-200 packages that need to be downloaded and they are version specific. The good news is that they are mostly reasonably sized text files it shouldn't take too long even with your anemic internet. Gentoo has been around since these speeds where faster than most people had.

The best work around I can offer you is to plan ahead. First, decide what desktop environment (if any) you want to use what applications you will require. For example, web browser, word processor, etc. and make a list. Next, go through the handbook and decide on every branch you want to take. Add the required programs to your list.

The emerge-websync will be slow and there really is no good way to speed it up. Once you complete this step you can make things a bit easier. You can run emerge --fetchonly <package a> <package b> .... <package n> where <package a-n> is the list you identified earlier. You may need to change a few USE flags to make portage happy. When it is let the command run overnight. When you pick back up on the install in the morning it should hopefully have all the files you need so you only have to compile the programs using the emerge command.

I'd also recommend you study the documentation very carefully. Gentoo was not designed to be beginner friendly and it often assumes you know what you are doing.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can be done, but I couldn't recommend it, which is probably why you can't find instructions.

New to linux is not an issue if you can follow the handbook for a regular internet-based install; and a slow internet connection can be overcome, but the combination of the two is unlikely to provide a happy experience.

Here is a bit of an idea of what you're in for:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/FAQ#I_have_a_slow_.28or_no.29_Internet_connection_at_home._Can_I_download_sources_somewhere_else_and_add_them_to_my_system.3F

Then there's the issue of keeping it up to date, at 256kb that will get old fast and will probably stop you fro doing it. All around just a bad idea imo.

Personally I'd download/burn a starter binary distro (preferably at a better speed somewhere) and get going with that.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: Installin Gentoo without Internet Reply with quote

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Any help on the above would be highly appreciated.
Are you looking for https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987268.html?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidcss,

Welcome to Gentoo.

You need to google for Sneakernet
That's an old link but still basically correct.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:54 am    Post subject: Installing Gentoo Reply with quote

Thanks a lot to all of you. Wasn't expecting such detailed instructions in this short span of time.

Anyway, I intend to install Gentoo within the next 2 weeks.

I will post after a successful attempt at a dual boot of Win 7 32 bit (current OS) and Gentoo or if I am not able to understand any instruction.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll let you in on an unwritten rule: always backup your computer completely before attempting to install a second operating system. There are a lot of opportunities to break your Windows when installing any second OS.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tip. I will take a complete backup before attempting even the re-sizing of existing partitions.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are dual-booting Windows and Gentoo you may find it easier to edit the Windows
boot menu with BCDEdit, so that you boot first the Windows boot menu and then Grub.

It means a ten second or so delay in bootup, but it means that the Windows installation
is essentially untouched. I've found Windows installations (especially on laptops with
recovery partitions) to be pretty neurotic about this in the past.

And a separate boot partition also makes future maintenance a lot easier.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tip. I never had the opportunity to use BCDEdit and hence i was not familiar with the command. I checked the Microsoft help and was not able to understand the command that you have in mind.

It would be really helpful if you elaborate the thought in your mind.

The delay in my reply is due to the fact that i changed my network provider. I now have bumped my speed to Mbps but this connection is wireless. I spent 2.5 days trying to figure out what was wrong with this PC not able to connect to the net. The culprit was my antivirus and personal firewall. Anyway, i am back online now with a USB wireless network adapter, which is supposed to be compatible with Linux.

I checked the Linux-USB website and it talks about USB 2 as the latest standard being introduced.

My current question is - Will this USB wireless adapter work with Gentoo? :?:



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidcss wrote:
My current question is - Will this USB wireless adapter work with Gentoo? :?:

You can easily check with sysresccd.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tip. The command - sysresccd is a Linux command. I am not able to understand how to run it to check if i can use the USB Wireless network adapter in Linux, which makes me think that i have not been as explicit as i should have been till now. :idea:

As i wrote in my first post - i am completely new to Linux and my windows knowledge is around average. I can install both XP and Win 7 on my own with the creation of multiple partitions and that is all. My current OS is Win 7 32 bit only (single OS). This will be the first time that i will be installing Linux on my own. The reason for the change of OS is 2 fold - Windows platform is really expensive and installing Linux will give me a start for a gold mine of a learning period which i expect to continue till my life.

I plan to install Gentoo as a dual boot with Windows to start with. Win 7 32 bit does not support a UEFI BIOS. In my impression after going through the Forums that it is the assumption of the other Linux distributions that the BIOS is a UEFI BIOS and not the older BIOS. Gentoo is the only distribution which specifically says that it can be installed on both the older BIOS and a UEFI BIOS. My current system has the older BIOS and is not a UEFI BIOS.

I plan to take a complete backup of the system and then resize the existing partitions to make space for Gentoo within the next 2 days.

It my humble request to everyone giving me tips to help me in my situation to be a bit more elaborate or detailed in the instructions for me.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidcss wrote:
Thanks for the tip. The command - sysresccd is a Linux command.

No. Just follow the link. Then download the image, burn it on DVD or make bootable USBstick. Then boot your comuter from it and check that questionable device.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidcss wrote:
Thanks for the tip. The command - sysresccd is a Linux command. I am not able to understand how to run it to check if i can use the USB Wireless network adapter in Linux, which makes me think that i have not been as explicit as i should have been till now. :idea:


sidcss,

charles17 provided a link in his post to sysresccd; which you must have overlooked. Had you followed the link you'd have found that it is not a 'linux command'. It is a downloadable 'System Rescue Cd' which you can either burn to disc or run from a usb stick to boot an installation / recovery environment.

Many (if not most) users here use and recommend sysrescd for installing their new systems - it is based on gentoo and supplies a number of very useful utilities (for detecting usb wireless hardware, for example) that are not present on the gentoo minimal installation cd. Here's a more obvious link: :) http://www.sysresccd.org/SystemRescueCd_Homepage
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

:oops: Sorry, i jumped the gun in my last post.

I am now online with the system rescue cd environment with the USB Wireless network adapter.

Feels great!! :D I should be able to install Gentoo with this USB Adapter or am i missing something here as well?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidcss wrote:
I am now online with the system rescue cd environment with the USB Wireless network adapter.

For configuring your kernel you might want to know what driver that USB Wireless network adapter uses. So run # lspci -nnkv and # lsusb from the command line and see what information it gives.

And of course, installing Gentoo from Sysresccd is the recommendation. It has more possibilities than the minimal iso.
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root@sysresccd /root % lspci -nnkv
00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Root Complex [1022:1536]
Subsystem: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Root Complex [1022:1536]
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0

00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kabini [Radeon HD 8400 / R3 Series] [1002:9830] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Kabini [Radeon HD 8400 / R3 Series] [1458:d000]
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 80
Memory at c0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=8M]
I/O ports at f000 [size=256]
Memory at feb00000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256K]
Expansion ROM at feb40000 [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: [48] Vendor Specific Information: Len=08 <?>
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [58] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00
Capabilities: [a0] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
Capabilities: [100] Vendor Specific Information: ID=0001 Rev=1 Len=010 <?>
Capabilities: [270] #19
Kernel driver in use: radeon
Kernel modules: radeon

00:01.1 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kabini HDMI/DP Audio [1002:9840]
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Kabini HDMI/DP Audio [1458:a002]
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
Memory at feb64000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [48] Vendor Specific Information: Len=08 <?>
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [58] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00
Capabilities: [a0] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
Capabilities: [100] Vendor Specific Information: ID=0001 Rev=1 Len=010 <?>

00:02.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Function 0 [1022:1538]
DeviceName: Onboard IGD
Flags: fast devsel

00:02.3 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Functions 5:1 [1022:1439] (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 72
Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=0
I/O behind bridge: 0000e000-0000efff
Memory behind bridge: fea00000-feafffff
Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 00000000d0800000-00000000d08fffff
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [58] Express Root Port (Slot+), MSI 00
Capabilities: [a0] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
Capabilities: [b0] Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Family 16h Processor Functions 5:1 [1458:1439]
Capabilities: [b8] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Enable+ Fixed+
Capabilities: [100] Vendor Specific Information: ID=0001 Rev=1 Len=010 <?>
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
Kernel modules: shpchp

00:10.0 USB controller [0c03]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB XHCI Controller [1022:7814] (rev 01) (prog-if 30 [XHCI])
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd FCH USB XHCI Controller [1458:5004]
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 18
Memory at feb68000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [70] MSI: Enable- Count=1/8 Maskable- 64bit+
Capabilities: [90] MSI-X: Enable+ Count=8 Masked-
Capabilities: [a0] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00
Capabilities: [100] Latency Tolerance Reporting
Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd

00:11.0 SATA controller [0106]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode] [1022:7801] (rev 40) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode] [1458:b002]
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 73
I/O ports at f140 [size=8]
I/O ports at f130 [size=4]
I/O ports at f120 [size=8]
I/O ports at f110 [size=4]
I/O ports at f100 [size=16]
Memory at feb6e000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K]
Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [70] SATA HBA v1.0
Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/8 Maskable- 64bit+
Kernel driver in use: ahci

00:12.0 USB controller [0c03]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB OHCI Controller [1022:7807] (rev 39) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd FCH USB OHCI Controller [1458:5004]
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18
Memory at feb6d000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Kernel driver in use: ohci-pci

00:12.2 USB controller [0c03]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB EHCI Controller [1022:7808] (rev 39) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd FCH USB EHCI Controller [1458:5004]
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 17
Memory at feb6c000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [e4] Debug port: BAR=1 offset=00e0
Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci

00:13.0 USB controller [0c03]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB OHCI Controller [1022:7807] (rev 39) (prog-if 10 [OHCI])
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd FCH USB OHCI Controller [1458:5004]
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18
Memory at feb6b000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Kernel driver in use: ohci-pci

00:13.2 USB controller [0c03]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB EHCI Controller [1022:7808] (rev 39) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd FCH USB EHCI Controller [1458:5004]
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 17
Memory at feb6a000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [e4] Debug port: BAR=1 offset=00e0
Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci

00:14.0 SMBus [0c05]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SMBus Controller [1022:780b] (rev 3a)
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd FCH SMBus Controller [1458:780b]
Flags: 66MHz, medium devsel
Kernel driver in use: piix4_smbus
Kernel modules: i2c_piix4

00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller [1022:780d] (rev 02)
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd FCH Azalia Controller [1458:a002]
Flags: slow devsel, IRQ 10
Memory at feb60000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2

00:14.3 ISA bridge [0601]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH LPC Bridge [1022:780e] (rev 11)
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd FCH LPC Bridge [1458:780e]
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 0

00:18.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Function 0 [1022:1530]
Flags: fast devsel

00:18.1 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Function 1 [1022:1531]
Flags: fast devsel

00:18.2 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Function 2 [1022:1532]
Flags: fast devsel
Kernel modules: amd64_edac_mod

00:18.3 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Function 3 [1022:1533]
Flags: fast devsel
Capabilities: [f0] Secure device <?>
Kernel driver in use: k10temp
Kernel modules: k10temp

00:18.4 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Function 4 [1022:1534]
Flags: fast devsel
Kernel driver in use: fam15h_power
Kernel modules: fam15h_power

00:18.5 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Function 5 [1022:1535]
Flags: fast devsel

01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 06)
Subsystem: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd Motherboard [1458:e000]
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 79
I/O ports at e000 [size=256]
Memory at fea00000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Memory at d0800000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
Capabilities: [70] Express Endpoint, MSI 01
Capabilities: [b0] MSI-X: Enable- Count=4 Masked-
Capabilities: [d0] Vital Product Data
Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting
Capabilities: [140] Virtual Channel
Capabilities: [160] Device Serial Number 01-00-00-00-68-4c-e0-00
Kernel driver in use: r8169
Kernel modules: r8169

Hi,
Was not able to make any head or tail of the above info which is why i have posted this. Any description in layman terms?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same for the next command


root@sysresccd /root % lsusb
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 004: ID 093a:2510 Pixart Imaging, Inc. Optical Mouse
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
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Bus 001 Device 002: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter

See https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-953924-start-1.html
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tip. I will go through the help manuals of both Gentoo and System Rescue CD and then post the questions in my mind.


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