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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:21 am    Post subject: Which stage3 tarball Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm reading

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Downloading_and_burning_the_CD

at the moment and I was wondering which tarball I should download. The Handbook says there should be a "current-iso" subdirectory in

http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/gentoo/releases/amd64/autobuilds/

but there isn't.

I already figured out that I probably don't want nomultilib, uclibs and hardened. And x32 probably is for a special use case as well. There is a number of text files in the directory which refer to the "latest" builds, for example "latest-iso.txt". However, those files obviously don't refer to the most recent directory by date (20151112/ at the time of writing).

So I'm really not sure which iso I should take. Are those more recent subdirs builds considered not stable? Or are the referring textfiles just behind the directory structure?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the txt-file states:
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# Latest as of Fri, 13 Nov 2015 06:30:01 +0000
# ts=1447396201
20150924/hardened/admincd-amd64-20150924.iso 404750336
20150924/install-amd64-minimal-20150924.iso 221249536

so you probably want the second file which it points to: http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/gentoo/releases/amd64/autobuilds/20150924/install-amd64-minimal-20150924.iso

with a "regular" computer today you usually use an amd64 release (except you have a cvery weak/cheap processor); eg something-amd64-nofancy.extensions
then you download and use the latest amd64-stage3-tarball (no fancy extensions or anything).
i have never used the gentoo-install-cd but i guess it just boots the computer and lets you download, install and configure a stage and compile everything inside a chroot. an easys waz to do this is use systemrescuecd www.sysresccd.org which is gentoo-based, too.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danke!

Does it even matter which stage 3 I use? Or is stage 3 just the temporary base system to compile the final base system and nothing from stage 3 gets into the final base system?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't torture yourself, get SystemRescueCD and put it on a USB stick. This is your Gentoo install media and much more. It is absolutely crucial you use correct stage 3 file for your installation, you must match the architecture of your computer.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to make my first steps in a VirtualBox anyway, not sure about installing it natively yet since I'm using Windows 7 at the moment and so far I always ran Ubuntu. I have some knowledge of Linux and programming though.

So architectures must match (AMD64), probably because cross-compiling is not possible or more difficult; but apart from that it is not important that my stage 3 tools are up-to-date because nothing of stage 3 will get into the final installation directly?

Is it possible to recompile the base installation with up-to-date tools later, so I can benefit from better compiler output?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is how we usually do it:

Install base system, do whatever is needed to make it boot on its own. Reboot.
Update the base installation.
Start installing software.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I got this, even before you wrote it. I had more specific questions.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

neoc,

Nothing in the boot media gets into your install.
The stage3 is your gentoo binary starting point. You may rebuild some or all if it during the install.

You need a 64 bit kernel to do a 64 bit install.
As you are starting out you want the amd64 stage3 too.

Your hardware will support a 32 bit install, in which case you would use the i686 ISO and stage3
However, you only get to use the 32 bit register set, so a large amount of your CPU would be wasted.

The Gentoo minimal ISOs are a bit bare. You just get a text console.
As has already been said, System Rescue CD is a good starting point.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thx!
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