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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:59 pm    Post subject: . Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hugooliveira306,

Welcome to Gentoo.
Please post the output of
Code:
emerge --info
which will show most of your settings.

For the kernel, genkernel, will build a lot of things you don't want but its build time and HDD space only.
It will not affect the way the kernel works.

Not having swap on your SSD may not do what you expect.
1. Its needed for hibernate to disk.
2. the swap partition is only used to save the content of dynamically allocated RAM.
3. the kernel has other ways of swapping, not having swap space only robs it of one of the choices.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the moment I do not have to enter as command'm not the Gentoo installed on the machine, I'm using Slackware because I had many problems installing Gentoo, if not want to use genkernel as will fill the system of unnecessary drivers and modules, I do a custom installation without giving kernel panic (laughs) and using the genkernel I have to use an init with the lilo and noticed that it takes much longer to load in a previous installation that even managed to make the system run compiled in hand and began as fast I did not have to use the init, but lacked drivers and modules thus being unable to run the system.
I just want Gentoo run on my machine with the specified hardware and intend to use: openrc, xorg, i3wm, kill or xfce
Of course this is basic but always prefer to do these tasks during installation to when to reboot the system is kind of ready to use and customization.
I see a lot of material on researching enough in order to build a knowledge base, but it is a little complicated because English is not my native language and read documentation translating is not legal, is disjointed and hard to understand. So I'm proucura the most accurate tips that will be easier to understand.
And as the swap I see in many
And thank you for the attention and welcome =)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hugooliveira306: a user reported your thread with the suggestion to move it to the Portuguese forum. Since you posted in both English and Portuguese, and you already have a conversation in progress in English, I declined to move it. You are welcome to use whichever language you prefer on the forums. The English forums receive more traffic, so you are more likely to get responses here. I wanted to ensure you know that we have a Portuguese forum if you prefer to write a post in Portuguese without also providing an English translation.

If you get a response that is difficult to understand, please ask the poster to restate the message in simpler terms. We are here to help. Requiring you to parse out a complicated sentence works against that purpose. Some people tend to write very complicated sentences. I often write such sentences if I do not make an effort to keep my sentences simple.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I decided to post here because I will have more chances to cure my doubts, because they are more experienced users in technical terms, but I had no conhecimendo forum in Portuguese, thank you.
But I intend to leave the question here like someone to help me, I deleted the part in Portuguese!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was no need to remove the Portuguese part. Users who cannot read Portuguese would need to skip past it, but their browser should have no trouble rendering it, and it did not take up much space. Generally, if the forum's post length allows it, more information is better. For example, having the Portuguese part might have allowed a user searching in Portuguese to discover your post. That user would then need to be able to read English or find an adequate translator in order to make use of the responses you received. With the Portuguese part of your post removed, future users will only discover your post if they search for your problem description in English, rather than searching in English or in Portuguese.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hugooliveira306, hello.

When you begin to configure the Linux kernel sources, you have to start somewhere. You can use a .config file who come from an other Linux kernel who work well with the material where you intend to install Gentoo. You can try to remove the none used options from it to have a Linux configuration with only needed options.

An up to date Slackware Linux configuration file can be a starting point for you. Beside this, there is no problem to have a Linux image and modules generated by Genkernel. You can start using this kernel. An lsmod command will show you a lot of used options that you need to put in your own kernel as modules.

It take time to have an optimised Linux kernel personnalised by your hands.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Paul. The last time I went compile Gentoo, I activated all drivers and modules that lspci and lsmod will show me yet came missing wifi and a lot of things and once before I kernel panic, do not know what I I'm letting go. The options which has been marked in the settings I do not let any undo default.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have another working kernel and linux system such as Ubunto or Red Hat, you can use its config as a starting point. You get a minimal configuration from "make localmodconfig" in the working system. Connect all your pluggable peripherals (printer, USB memory, disk, DVD player, whatever) before running it. The resulting config selects modules for all hardware you are using, but removes support for anything else. There is also "make localyesconfig", which puts the hardware support into the kernel instead of modules.

After doing this, you may want to change the processor type to be more specific to your hardware, and the memory model (HIMEM support).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kernel is the most important part of your system. I never considered the time spent on kernel configuration wasted. Start with make allnoconfig and enjoy crafting your very own kernel, you will learn alot in process. I know I did ... :wink:
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hugooliveira306,

There is a lot to learn in configuring your own kernel. You can skip that for now.
Use genkernel to make a kernel that works, then make your own kernel later.

You can have several kernels installed at the same time. You choose which one to use from the boot menu.

Gentoo works best when you build on what works. Then when you break it, you can back out the change.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to all who contributed to remedy my doubt, I will continue the studies in search of knowledge.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use genkernel when installing on new hardware with a modified /etc/genkernel.conf. :

# =========MISC BOOT CONFIGURATION============
#
# Specify a default for real_root=
#REAL_ROOT="/dev/one/two/gentoo"
MAKEOPTS="-j5"
DISKLABEL="yes"
KNAME="genkernel-LAPTOP-TEST"

When all is working, I change
KNAME="genkernel-LAPTOP-TEST"
to
KNAME="genkernel-LAPTOP"

run genkernel --menuconfig all and remove all unused drivers and features, test and if all works well remove the "LAPTOP-TEST" kernel and modules.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think building a kernel for your own machine is a good way to learn. You need just to know your machine specification to start.

There's nothing difficult: search for driver names and then enable these drivers in the kernel. When you reboot you may notice that something doesn't work — it's OK.
It means you forgot about this device and didn't enable it's driver in the kernel — so you are to do that. In some case you'll need to emerge a firmware, and that's not difficult too.
It's also right for kernel features: as time passes you will know more about your system and kernel features, so you will enable all you need when you need it.

Good luck.
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