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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:14 pm    Post subject: Installing Live DVD on Hard Disk? Reply with quote

Greetings to all,

I've downloaded:
LiveDVD (released Oct 10, 2009) (2.6 gigabytes) amd64
livedvd-amd64-multilib-10.1

All I could find on the Gentoo websites are Live CDs and Live DVDs so Is there any way to install this Live DVD on a hard disk?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can be done, but it's a bad idea. :evil:

By far, the best way to install Gentoo is to follow the Handbook. Have a look at the Get Gentoo! page.

You can use just about any LiveCD/DVD to install Gentoo since nothing from that disc will end up in your completed installation.

You can use the LiveDVD as your installation environment, or a Gentoo Minimal CD, the Gentoo-based SystemRescueCD, an existing Linux installation, etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RedSquirrel,

I've never had any feedback on that document so I presume users must take the opening paragraph at face value.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
I've never had any feedback on that document so I presume users must take the opening paragraph at face value.

While some users may skip introductory remarks, those red and yellow boxes are rather eye-catching. :)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks 4 replying,

RedSquirrel wrote:
It can be done, but it's a bad idea. :evil:

By far, the best way to install Gentoo is to follow the Handbook. Have a look at the Get Gentoo! page.

You can use just about any LiveCD/DVD to install Gentoo since nothing from that disc will end up in your completed installation.

You can use the LiveDVD as your installation environment, or a Gentoo Minimal CD, the Gentoo-based SystemRescueCD, an existing Linux installation, etc.


The HowTo guide <http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/HOWTO.xml> looks good but in the section:

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This document describes how to install Gentoo using the packages provided on the liveDVD.
You will need four more files from the internet, these are
2. http://weboperative.com/gentoo/downloads/snapshots/20090921.tar.bz2.DIGESTS

404 Not Found
nginx/0.8.36


Do you know of another source to download that missing file?

EDIT: Nevermind looks like the admin fixed it or maybe the problem was on my end, I'm not sure... I'll continue reading the guide and see what happens...


I've tried almost all linux distros and Gentoo is by far the hardest to configure, I eventually gave up, FreeBSD and Gentoo are two linux distros that will never touch, not worth all the time and headaches.

Gentoo developers should take the time and make a gui installation interface or at least make the installation process easier, that way it will attract more users into gentoo
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:19 am    Post subject: You gave up, that was your decision. Reply with quote

gfx010 wrote:
I've tried almost all linux distros and Gentoo is by far the hardest to configure, I eventually gave up, FreeBSD and Gentoo are two linux distros that will never touch, not worth all the time and headaches.

Gentoo developers should take the time and make a gui installation interface or at least make the installation process easier, that way it will attract more users into gentoo


First off, FreeBSD isn't linux, it's an operating system, and a fairly easy one to install and use if you can read the supplied documentation. I would know I have been using it since v3.9. If you can't deal with installing and maintaining FreeBSD not to mention knowing the difference between that and linux, you should not even bother with gentoo and I think you made the correct decision.

Perhaps some day we would welcome you back once you either have more time or do your homework. Second of all not worth it to who? The ubuntu type user that wants everything handed to them easily?

What is making a playskool GUI going to do? Once a nooblet is in it they still aren't going to know what the hell to do. How does that solve the problem? The day gentoo makes a newbie friendly GUI interface like ubuntu is the day I (and plenty of people like me rest assured.) format all my machines and move *completely* to another OS. Plenty of people who can read, follow simple instructions, as well as use a plethora of documentation and IRC support channels can not all be wrong.

I am sorry You gave up but that's just what it is, You made the decision to give up don't expect the developers to write something to cater to you thus changing and destroying what us capable users who actually persisted and put the time into it want just because you fall short where plenty of us are running stable systems. You didnt even attempt this installation you gave up entirely too early. How far did you make it anyway?

I am sympathetic with you at best. Gentoo is one of the hardest distributions to use, which I think is what makes it great it many forms. You actually have to understand and know how it works, you have to think, and learn.

This benefits the whole crowd in ways you can't comprehend. It weeds out a certain kind of people. Go in #ubuntu somewhere and you'll understand exactly what I am talking about. The current way things are do not need to be changed, we all benefit from having an intelligent, mature userbase that is self supportive.

"More users" is the absolute last thing we want. This was never about competition it's not about being the best. It's about being able to understand what it is your actually doing and enjoy doing it. Look at all the distributions over time that catered to wanting more users. Where are they now? Sure Ubuntu is popular. Now. Come back to this post in 5 years. When you are ready and have more time you can find us for help here, in the DOCS and in irc.freenode.net #gentoo for some help. Try and be a little more persistent next time, i'd be glad to help you out and there's plenty other people there just like me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gentoo's pretty straightforward to install _provided_ that you have some experience
(not a lot) of Linux/Unix, and _provided_ that you read the documentation.

Gentoo's useful if you like tinkering with the system and learning about computers
or programming. It's not, never will be, Ubuntu - why would it be? Ubuntu is a much,
much better Ubuntu already. There are hundreds of Linux distros - find one that suits
you (and many people find Ubuntu ideal) and use that.

Good luck - Will
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gfx010,

An operating system is just a tool to do a job - pick one that suits you.
If its not Gentoo, we don't mind.

You need to understand that Gentoo is a meta-distro. It provides the tools for you to make your own distro. Nobody installs Gentoo like they would a binary distro. They use Gentoo to make their very own distro. The difference is important but it may be hard to understand until you have booted your own basic Gentoo install and looked at the command prompt and thought to yourself ... now what?

Every Gentoo install is unique.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:17 pm    Post subject: troubles Reply with quote

i just want to have a quick install i can recustomize later
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bushman77,

A Gentoo install will take about an hour of your time but a lot more CPU time. You end up with your Gentoo. It may not be to your liking but you can fix that.
A binary distro will install in much less elapsed time but you don't get to configure it very much later.

As a half way house, you can dual boot Gentoo with something else or even run Gentoo in a Virtual Machine while you get comfortable with it.
Both remove the pressure of time.

If you still want
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a quick install i can recustomize later
then Gentoo is not for you.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:05 pm    Post subject: Manual following the handbook is suggested but scripts exist Reply with quote

bushman77 wrote:
i just want to have a quick install i can recustomize later


It looks like this thread was started a few years ago, with someone trying to install a live CD/DVD image to a hard drive. I do this with the system rescue iso image, but I then use it to install or repair/modify an existing or new Gentoo install.

If you want to install Gentoo then manually following the handbook is the recommended method. There have been attempts to automate parts of a Gentoo install - with varying sucess, for example see this thread https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-950912-highlight-easy.html.

Because Gentoo is a rolling release, you only need to install it once, although some users do almost the equivalent of a fresh install on a regular basis. For your particular use case scripting parts or all of an install may be appropriate, but my advice would be to invest the time to do a manual install following the handbook - at least for an initial install. If you really don't have the time right now then consider if using a script someone else has developed will get you to where you want to be or if using a binary distro or live cd/dvd is a better option for you until you have more time available.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm new to gentoo and very first install was good. But then I deleted all and started a new installation.
But now I'm running in trouble and need often to restart LiveDVD 12.1 End of the World 1.1
Is there a way only to boot LiveDVD from harddisc, then chrooting and installing accordingly to the handbook ?
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scurrell
if you just want a graphical environment to perform a Gentoo installation, why don't try with systemrescue CD?
LiveDVD seems great beacause it gives you a full working Gentoo environment just out of the box, but this isn't the way Gentoo itself is intended ("vexata quaestio", IMHO)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gfx010 wrote:
Thanks 4 replying,

RedSquirrel wrote:
It can be done, but it's a bad idea. :evil:

By far, the best way to install Gentoo is to follow the Handbook. Have a look at the Get Gentoo! page.

You can use just about any LiveCD/DVD to install Gentoo since nothing from that disc will end up in your completed installation.

You can use the LiveDVD as your installation environment, or a Gentoo Minimal CD, the Gentoo-based SystemRescueCD, an existing Linux installation, etc.


The HowTo guide <http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/HOWTO.xml> looks good but in the section:

Quote:

This document describes how to install Gentoo using the packages provided on the liveDVD.
You will need four more files from the internet, these are
2. http://weboperative.com/gentoo/downloads/snapshots/20090921.tar.bz2.DIGESTS


404 Not Found
nginx/0.8.36


Do you know of another source to download that missing file?

EDIT: Nevermind looks like the admin fixed it or maybe the problem was on my end, I'm not sure... I'll continue reading the guide and see what happens...


I've tried almost all linux distros and Gentoo is by far the hardest to configure, I eventually gave up, FreeBSD and Gentoo are two linux distros that will never touch, not worth all the time and headaches.

Gentoo developers should take the time and make a gui installation interface or at least make the installation process easier, that way it will attract more users into gentoo


IMO Gentoo is a beast . I had been using Ubuntu for a while but after getting into Gentoo I can say this beast just wipes the floor with many binary-based distros.
My dual core i5 notebook has gotten faster than before. Ubuntu is IMO no match in terms in customization and optimization.
Installing Gentoo on i7 or Xeon and taking advantage of cpu architecture, hell this beast will just smoke those distros.
Gentoo has made me so hyped that I installed it a second time on another i5-based notebook right after.
It took me about 5 days the first time but the second time the installation took me only 8 hours (including cpu time). Gentoo is great. VERY GREAT! INSTALL GENTOO!
Cheers :)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gfx010 wrote:
Gentoo developers should take the time and make a gui installation interface or at least make the installation process easier, that way it will attract more users into gentoo[/color][/b]

Patches welcome.
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