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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:15 pm    Post subject: Will there be a gentoo liveDVD-2018? Reply with quote

Hello,

are there plans to provide a new liveDVD? The last one is from mid-2016. A lot of things at Gentoo have changed since then.

Thanks in advance!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would we need a Gentoo liveDVD for?

Installation can be done with the minimal iso, if you need GUI to read the docs it's easy with SystemRescueCD, which is also based on Gentoo.

There are a lot of liveDVDs out there, each filling a specific niche. I fail to see one where Gentoo would fit. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its a Gentoo test drive. There is a Jan 2017 LiveDVD too. However, its built on a hardened kernel, with the options to disable dev nodes in chroots.
That makes it unsuitable for installing Gentoo.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
However, its built on a hardened kernel, with the options to disable dev nodes in chroots.
That makes it unsuitable for installing Gentoo.

NeddySeagoon,
what is it good for then? You said it's a Gentoo test drive, what do you mean by that? As a live medium to boot and try out Gentoo before installing? If so, what's the point of that? Gentoo is so versatile and configurable that the chances you end up running the same setup are slim.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marcih,

The denying dev nodes in the chroot is a bug.
That particular LiveDVD was created for a handout at FOSDEM 2017.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chino_ wrote:
What would we need a Gentoo liveDVD for?

Installation can be done with the minimal iso, if you need GUI to read the docs it's easy with SystemRescueCD, which is also based on Gentoo.

There are a lot of liveDVDs out there, each filling a specific niche. I fail to see one where Gentoo would fit. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.


UEFI installation isn't supported in the minimal iso, the handbook advises downloading the latest hybrid iso for this which is also unsuitable for installing. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Media

The niche it would fill would be an official gentoo image linked to in the gentoo handbook that is capable of installing gentoo in uefi mode. Other option is I suppose just to advise Systemrescuecd in the Handbook media section, like Funtoo https://www.funtoo.org/Install#Live_CD
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sometimes use the latest available Gentoo LiveDVD ISO in a VM on my machines that run other distributions or Windows, in order to check how something is done in Gentoo if I'm not using my laptops running Gentoo at the time. Useful at times.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:06 pm    Post subject: Howto Start? Reply with quote

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UEFI installation isn't supported in the minimal iso, the handbook advises downloading the latest hybrid iso for this which is also unsuitable for installing. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Media

The niche it would fill would be an official gentoo image linked to in the gentoo handbook that is capable of installing gentoo in uefi mode. Other option is I suppose just to advise Systemrescuecd in the Handbook media section, like Funtoo https://www.funtoo.org/Install#Live_CD

So how do I start installing on a fresh new box with UEFI? Which media should I use?
Meanwhile I'm trying Debian.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually start with SystemRescueCD. The system I'm using now was done that way several years ago, with UEFI boot. Just a week or two ago I did a highly munged CentOS 7 install in BIOS mode using SystemRescueCD. For what it's worth, SystemRescueCD is Gentoo-based.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok for now I have installed debian. Can I use that as a starting point? I coud set up partitions etc.
Anything special to know?
Or is SystemRescueCD the best option?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Installation_alternatives

What I dislike about Systemrescuecd is that it's not possible to gpg verify the image. It has been requested a long time ago in the forums, but the developer has ignored it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can install from Debian. Then you will have a dual boot Debian/Gentoo system.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When using the minimal cd it's
Code:
mount --types proc /proc /mnt/gentoo/proc


When using other it's
Code:
mount -o bind /proc /mnt/gentoo/proc


How come?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In most cases, they produce equivalent results. Different authors chose different ways to achieve the end result. The former is probably safer, since it will work even when /proc is not procfs or is the wrong procfs.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you! That's nice to know. :)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last time I installed Gentoo, I did it using XFCE spin of some Fedora. Earlier I've been using Damn Small Linux (development ceased, I think).
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When installing from another distro, and not a livedvd, and having a swap partition already, does one have to enable the swap partition made for the gentoo install, when installing?

My guess is: No!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ayeyes,

The distros can share swap an long as you don't want both distros to use it at the same time.
When you boot the already installed distro, it will activate its swap and the running kernel will use it as required.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon, thank you! :-)

Edit: That goes for when installing Gentoo too? It makes use of the swap partition of the host OS? Got 8GB RAM, and 16GB swap for that OS (Arch).

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My guess is: Yes!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
as you don't want both distros to use it at the same time.
"same time" also includes hibernated OS while the other is running. If you accidentaly boot into another distro and let it use the swap where the former stored its hibernation image, bad things may happen.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ayeyes,

When you boot your existing install, the startup will activate swap.
Its the running kernel that determines when to use swap, not any applications you might be running in a chroot to install Gentoo.

If you create a separate swap for Gentoo, you need to take care the each operating system only uses its own swap.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon, I see. Thank you! :-)
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