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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Germany's closer. Why don't you take care of it?

As I've said many a time: Europeans are big on fighting to the last American. Let American citizens foot the bill for the world police, both in blood and currency. Then the citizens of the world can hate the USA for either intervening or not intervening.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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After the third betrayal of the Kurds by the U.S.
1. 1919 in Versailles by Wodrow Wilson who promised a country Kurdistan
2. 1991 after the first Iraq war by Bush Senior when Saddam nerve gased
3. 2019 by Trump who did not cover in the north when the Kurds fought the IS in the south-eastern areas.

The Kurds lean on Assad again. He is sending his troops and iranian advisors to Kobane. Iran wants to upgrade any new location against the U.S. They can take new positions near the Syria/Iraq border.

Normally Trump does nothing against interests of Israel what could strengthen Iran in Syria and Lebanon. Erdogan had investigated a year long the Khashoggi murder of the Saudi government. Perhaps he has intelligence about Kushner regarding Bin Salman ... something Erdogan has in his hands against Trump. Don't believe what Trump tells now about troops in foreign countries he wants to return! Trump doesn't want to foster Iran, but why he does?


Hold on, 1919 isn't to far from recent memory for this exercise?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Syrian troops enter Kurdish fight against Turkish forces
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You americans should think why that is, at all, an issue.

Is your supposition that Americans should just be willing to die for your problems?


Uh....no? I think the use of the US army has gone abit over the top since 2000. Seems to me at times there are external intrests involved.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As I've said many a time: Europeans are big on fighting to the last American.

No, but we know relationship between Trump and Erdogan, and that Trump could stop this just by asking it.
It would be a total disaster for Turkey if any american die because of turkish army. And Trump has removed your troops either because he is totally stupid and didn't see it coming (but i'm sure he have good advisors), or because he was fully aware of it and gave Erdogan a free rampage card.

You don't need any americans to die to stop this, you need a sane president that hold the leash of his dog.
Europeans are not the owner of this mad dog, and worst Europeans cannot kick this dog because his owner is insane and have big balls
You get the situation clearer Old School now or you still think we just want your troopers to die for us?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As I've said many a time: Europeans are big on fighting to the last American.

No, but we know relationship between Trump and Erdogan, and that Trump could stop this just by asking it.

You get the situation clearer Old School now or you still think we just want your troopers to die for us?
A century of history is on my side of this argument.

Turkey is a EU problem. Solve It!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As I've said many a time: Europeans are big on fighting to the last American.

No, but we know relationship between Trump and Erdogan, and that Trump could stop this just by asking it.

You get the situation clearer Old School now or you still think we just want your troopers to die for us?
A century of history is on my side of this argument.

Turkey is a EU problem. Solve It!


Yeah. We like to get pampered, cucked and vegie. Help us!
Thanks to you we can deal with homosexuality
We know how to surrender
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We know how to surrender
I have a French rifle from WWII. Never been fired and only dropped once. :wink:
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have a French rifle from WWII. Never been fired and only dropped once. :wink:


:) :) :)

As fun as that was, what was the options again?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Another day, another war. Behold, the race of man.


sad. but true.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EU did not vote for the weapons exports to Turkey. Seems that not only the USA did betray the Kurds.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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EU did not vote for the weapons exports to Turkey. Seems that not only the USA did betray the Kurds.
The EU is shit-scared of turkey thats why. America just turned around and went "why us?"

Simply put... Syria is Obama+Clinton+Cameron's+Hollande legacy. The leaders of USA,UK,France have a lot to answer for; it was a conflict that wasn't needed but rhetoric pushed to topple Assad and if you follow the money it all came back to a Gas pipe to Europe from Iran, something Saudi did not want.

While those leaders should not have agreed to attack Assad, there was a responsibility afterwards but when does that end? Like him or hate him, there are two very clear patterns to D.Trump
1) Undo Obama's legacy executive order by executive order
2) is not starting new conflicts and is pulling back
if you don't believe me, go look at the majority of his most outlandish tweets causing a shitstorm on social media and for starters nothing comes of what he wrote but also executive orders are signed in the background while the focus is on what orange man literally wrote

NK took carrier groups close but an all out war with NK wasn't going to happen. Iran however... every time Trump pulls back something occurs to get the Washington war-hawks pushing again. Someone wants a war with Iran but Trump doesn't.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yes. but it all leads to one thing. the war for oil is continuous problem and everyone can solve it right now. stop using gasoline.
Greta will be happy. You wont have to care about where do you get from the dark liquid.
No more wars in the middle east.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yes. but it all leads to one thing. the war for oil is continuous problem and everyone can solve it right now. stop using gasoline.
Do you have the slightest clue as to how many billion would die if we took that advice?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My little hope of today:

If Turkey has a plan together with Russia - and we know Putin wants to friendly bind Erdogan - then the turkish invasion is a pre-play to end the syrian conflict. We will see if there are not dying soldiers in Kobane!

Perhaps Trumps retreat is a clever challange for Erdogan and Putin to show regional responsibility with a real chance to stabilize Syria and get a lasting peace !?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This whole Syria thing is a mess. I believe Trump is just trying to untangle the US from the mess caused by W, Barry and Hillary.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yes. but it all leads to one thing. the war for oil is continuous problem and everyone can solve it right now. stop using gasoline.
Do you have the slightest clue as to how many billion would die if we took that advice?
Do you have the slightest clue how many billion will die if we do not take that advice?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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e3k wrote:
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yes. but it all leads to one thing. the war for oil is continuous problem and everyone can solve it right now. stop using gasoline.
Do you have the slightest clue as to how many billion would die if we took that advice?
Do you have the slightest clue how many billion will die if we do not take that advice?
Do you have the slightest clue about what is actually being deployed... the world has woken up to the perils of gasoline but equally its only in the last 15years that significant advancements in processor capabilities and power electronics to actually provide an alternative.

I am presently using a SiC module in a drive I am designing... £350. The equivelent in Si is £50. The losses? SiC ~ 60W, Si ~ 300W ... 5years ago the same SiC module cost nearly £1000, SiC is now in a major rampup due to the technical issues are understood (micropiping is no longer a major problem... growth defects are however...)

Having a political stance of "we must stop using Oil!!!!1111one" is worlds apart from practically doing that.

Where do you think the power the permits the foundaries to grow SiC, to dope SiC (do you know how hot you need to get an ingot ), all from burning oil since the world has a fear of nuclear station while not committing to ThoriumSalt... All these generators also rely on RareEarth magnets and guess who is constantly holding the world to ransom with Neodinium? that's right China, the country that does not give a fk about polluting, the country that is being PAID to increase pollution (as captured in the Paris accord) who has also been caught releasing CFC's which were globally banned due to the Ozone...

What about cobalt iron needed for the stators?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

of course i am not speaking about a clear cut where the oil usage would be stopped immediately. i have more a steady decline in mind.

and yes you are right to replace the energy source by something else (nuclear power etc.) would also be problematic as the global consumption is too high already.

that is why a complete restructuring of the economy is necessary. the nonsense of goods traveling around the globe must stop. in ideal case everything should be produced locally and let just the information travel globally via the interweb. this way the importance of oil would diminish. the middle east would become less interesting and the war for oil would stop or become less frequent.

and finally Greta would be happy and humanity might survive it self.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But again it is not that simple...
Supposition #1: Burning oil like its going out of fashion. The view is that if we carry on like this billions will die due to climate catastrophe
Supposition #2: stopping using oil will equally kill billions

Both are correct but supposition #1 is filled with dishonesty from the left, especially when the Paris Accord is put into focus and what it actually states - ie increase in pollution FACEPALM!!!
The problem is, as Old School is stating, if Oil stops being used, billions will die and why? What interest would the world have for the middle east? they will descend into war.
It was the flaw of capitalism to ship manufacturing out to the far east yet attempts to bring it home (something that will cut shipping, and shipping produces the worst pollution) is being criticized...

Manufacture in the home country with specialist production globally... it ensure the local residence have an industry for employment and equally cuts down on shipping.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My little hope of today:

If Turkey has a plan together with Russia - and we know Putin wants to friendly bind Erdogan - then the turkish invasion is a pre-play to end the syrian conflict. We will see if there are not dying soldiers in Kobane!

Perhaps Trumps retreat is a clever challange for Erdogan and Putin to show regional responsibility with a real chance to stabilize Syria and get a lasting peace !?

Senator Rand Paul makes my argument an outlook.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Supposition #2: stopping using oil will equally kill billions
why?
if you do a switch from oil to some other technology nobody has to die. maybe some sheikh will not be able to buy a golden Mercedes but i think he will be OK.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Senator Rand Paul makes my argument an outlook.

Also happening today in evening news:
Former Germany foreign affairs Sigmar Gabriel critizes his successor telling we should not pressure Turkey nor critisize Trump, because Obama made the error to deal with YPG, which truely is the PKK as Erdogan says:
german language Interview
(Sigmar Gabriel stabs his successor in the back as often as he can)

Trump got seriously in trouble by this move out of Syria, because the Israel lobby (which mostly is christian) doesn't forgive when Iran gets a way to the Israel border over land.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This whole Syria thing is a mess. I believe Trump is just trying to untangle the US from the mess caused by W, Barry and Hillary.


Yes I'm sure that's what he's trying to do. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zixnub wrote:
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This whole Syria thing is a mess. I believe Trump is just trying to untangle the US from the mess caused by W, Barry and Hillary.


Yes I'm sure that's what he's trying to do. :lol: :lol: :lol:
IT'S THE RUSSIANS!!!!!!!!!

Your solution is the US to go to war with a current member of NATO? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Or is it:ORANGE MAN STEALING THE OIL!!!!!!!! :lol:
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