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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alexander-n8hgeg5e,

You have never hear a real HDD with a real stepper motor.
Voice coil activated head servos (any HDD over 1G or so) are so much smoother and quieter than the buzz of a stepper motor.

Lots of long seeks can make a voice coil head servo noisy too.
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those that do backups
those that have never had a hard drive fail.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve_v wrote:
all (or Atlas for that matter), have you. :P

The oldest thing I had was such a 5.25 " drive with 4Gbyte i think...
But i can't remember if it was loud.
At that time it was already old, don't know why i mounted it
in the computer, i think i was attacted by the size of the case.
It was 40Gbyte best price/value time. , approx.

steve_v wrote:
my 80MB Quantum ProDrive ELS (the first "real" HDD I ever owned) is still going strong. As is a 120MB Seagate of about the same age.


That are real harddisks :-) , you can probably read your mails with a
lens and some iron dust...
The new ones are guessing your data, are trying to read from the atoms...

Do you run them in some system that you use ?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alexander-n8hgeg5e,

alexander-n8hgeg5e wrote:
The new ones [HDD] are guessing your data ...

True but it has a respectable name.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
alexander-n8hgeg5e,

alexander-n8hgeg5e wrote:
The new ones [HDD] are guessing your data ...

True but it has a respectable name.


:lol: did't knew that some name like this actually exist.

This is why i want btrfs, i want to catch my disk flipping a bit.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alexander-n8hgeg5e wrote:
5.25 " drive with 4Gbyte
Sounds like a late-model Quantum Bigfoot to me. Pretty common, and the last of the half-height 5.25" drives IIRC.

alexander-n8hgeg5e wrote:
Do you run them in some system that you use ?
The 80MB drive was a (mostly r/o) boot drive in my router for many years after the 386 SX16 it belonged to bit the dust (a drive outliving a motherboard, imagine that!). Now it's in my IBM 330-100DX4 retro gaming machine, again as a boot drive, with a Conner 540MB (also loud as f*) for storage.
The 120MB is sitting on a shelf along with a couple of 640MB drives, they're all goers, I just have nothing to put them in right now.

alexander-n8hgeg5e wrote:
This is why i want btrfs, i want to catch my disk flipping a bit.
I run ZFS on my storage server, it's wicked cool. Snapshots, checksums, transparent compression, deduplication, network replication, adaptive caching, all the other good stuff.
BTRFS looks promising, but it's still kinda feature-poor next to ZFS.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alexander-n8hgeg5e wrote:
My disks are old, and they do not care about this, at least until now.
Just put more of them in the device.
Mix the models good up.
And make raid1's to combine them down.
Then put btrfs raid1 over that.
Btrfs can fix bitflips, if the drives fail to find them.
I have my disks somewhat frankenstein... One disk died young.
One is to small so i have lvm-combined the wd-blue and the wd-black.
So actually 3 x redundancy.
The other 2 are hitachi ultrastar and one is wd-green
I have discovered something,
smartctl -s aam,128 i think makes them quiet.
This should probably help for longer life.

Device Model : WD5000AAKS-00A7B2
Power_On_Hours : 30998
Device Model : WD7502AAEX-00Y9A0
Power_On_Hours : 12318
Device Model : HUA721010KLA330
Power_On_Hours : 41329
Device Model : WD10EADS-00M2B0
Power_On_Hours : 15960

I know, they draw power, they are slow, and make noise.
But my data is on a real disk, and they do not die if i write
to the same sector a few times.


You right, that's make sense.

HGST Travelstar
http://dpaste.com/1138TZM

SAMSUNG HM250HI
http://dpaste.com/12CJR7B

Those are old one, the HGST show some failure but still handle)

About seagate, I got a usb drive Seagate RSS LLC Backup Plus Portable Drive for less than a year, never worked too :

http://dpaste.com/3ZB859T

Can't get a smart result on this one
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(for the story, i had two of them, in a hw raid, but its little brother died 2 months ago)
it makes a bunch of prefail and old age :)
Code:
smartctl 7.0 2018-12-30 r4883 [x86_64-linux-4.14.67] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-18, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Western Digital Raptor
Device Model:     WDC WD360ADFD-00NLR1
Serial Number:    WD-WMANT1064640
Firmware Version: 20.07P20
User Capacity:    37 019 566 080 bytes [37,0 GB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ATA/ATAPI-7 published, ANSI INCITS 397-2005
Local Time is:    Tue Dec 24 14:52:52 2019 CET
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x84)   Offline data collection activity
               was suspended by an interrupting command from host.
               Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)   The previous self-test routine completed
               without error or no self-test has ever
               been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:       ( 1195) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:           (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
               Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
               Suspend Offline collection upon new
               command.
               Offline surface scan supported.
               Self-test supported.
               Conveyance Self-test supported.
               Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)   Saves SMART data before entering
               power-saving mode.
               Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)   Error logging supported.
               General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:     (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:     (  22) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:     (   5) minutes.
SCT capabilities:           (0x103f)   SCT Status supported.
               SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
               SCT Feature Control supported.
               SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000b   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0007   165   165   021    Pre-fail  Always       -       2750
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   097   097   040    Old_age   Always       -       3156
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000a   200   200   051    Old_age   Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   012   012   000    Old_age   Always       -       64654
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0012   100   100   051    Old_age   Always       -       0
 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0012   100   100   051    Old_age   Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   097   097   000    Old_age   Always       -       3137
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   119   077   000    Old_age   Always       -       24
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0012   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x000a   200   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       4
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   200   200   051    Old_age   Offline      -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve_v wrote:
alexander-n8hgeg5e wrote:
5.25 " drive with 4Gbyte
Sounds like a late-model Quantum Bigfoot

Yes I think it was a quantum bigfoot.

steve_v wrote:
after the 386 SX16 it belonged to bit the dust (a drive outliving a motherboard, imagine that!...

I cannot believe the board died,... These old computers look that reliable,...
Probably the capacitors,... maybe fixable.

steve_v wrote:
I run ZFS on my storage server, it's wicked cool

I know, i had considered useing it.
But then i recognized , it is not in my loved kernel, and something with the license...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve_v wrote:
alexander-n8hgeg5e wrote:
Some of these species, are crazy and it sounds like they
are trying to vibrate their heads of... Especially the wd-black one,
sounds like some angry beast.
You've never owned a Quantum Fireball (or Atlas for that matter), have you. :P


I did, that was my first drive :)
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