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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:57 pm    Post subject: Brave Reply with quote

I have just become aware of a new Web browser called Brave. It looks like it is based on chromium, but allegedly has some very powerful privacy features. It claims also to be 8x faster... they all claim to be faster, so I'm not going to hold my breath on that count... but private by default interests me.

I notice that there is no ebuild in portage for it... I'm wondering if anyone has tried it... any thoughts... opinions... and of course, if it ever will be brought into mainstream portage.

Anyone want to weigh in?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an ebuild in brave-overlay but look it
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using it for some time now on my mobile devices and I like it so far. Privacy by default is nice but I am on the fence about the Advertising model. I find it a bit confusing but one can opt-out of it.

It also doesn't do anything, privacy/security-wise, that I wasn't getting done in Chrome and Firefox but with carefully selected extensions. For those that don't want to tinker too much with their browser of choice, I think Brave is a reasonable alternative.

I have been testing out the overlay binary. I really don't like running applications on my box that I can't build from source but at the moment this is the only option for we Gentoo users.

I actually also had some concerns about Overlay QA and integrity that I asked about in another thread. I was satisfied with the replies I received and would give Hu's reply particular consideration. AntP also seems to have some concerns about Brave but I didn't ask him to expand on it. Take a look and feel free to commnet.

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8411520.html#8411520
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Budoka wrote:
I've been using it for some time now on my mobile devices and I like it so far.


I use firefox on mobile. I like it much better + you can install ublock origin on it.

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Privacy by default is nice but I am on the fence about the Advertising model. I find it a bit confusing but one can opt-out of it.


I don't trust any more than I trust Google. And their ad policy? They take from content creators and replace it with their own ads, getting money in their own pockets while ignoring content creators. Yes, you can 'tip' the original site, but so few sites are affiliated it's basically stealing.

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It also doesn't do anything, privacy/security-wise, that I wasn't getting done in Chrome and Firefox but with carefully selected extensions. For those that don't want to tinker too much with their browser of choice, I think Brave is a reasonable alternative.


Read: Only few extensions have been ported to work with Brave.

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I have been testing out the overlay binary. I really don't like running applications on my box that I can't build from source but at the moment this is the only option for we Gentoo users.


This is just a feeling, but I believe Brave isn't 100 % open source and they have some binary/DRM parts that are installed after compiling the base chromium. So I don't see much benefit in compiling it, I don't think you can change so much from the base chromium that runs those blobs. But just a feeling. When I wrote the ebuild for brave-overlay I did study possibility to make it source-buildable but gave up on it quite fast.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks. I just wanted to check it out... but I don't think I will be doing an overly. Every time I do that, I wind up in dependency hell at update time and I simply don't have the time to dwell there. It isn't that important to me :) I'll look at it on another system, or just wait.

I don't really have high expectations of it. It sounds like consumer-grade BS to me... but I was asked about it from an executive, so I thought I would check into it.

Thank you all for your input.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:21 pm    Post subject: Opera Touch Reply with quote

I have Brave and Opera Touch installed on an Android cel.

Opera Touch will link with Opera (also now based on Blink with privacy features) on a desk or laptop machine.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:33 pm    Post subject: Howto Reply with quote

How do you install Brave?

I've also heard another browser called Tracefree. Anyone know anything about that?

Linux Mint offers still another called Tor Browser. I run that on my laptop, Linux Mint, but have not been able to install
this browser.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi folks! I have made a Brave ebuild for gentoo. Testing it now, it is pretty speedy and seems to work fine.

You can use my overlay at https://github.com/sinetek/gentoo-overlay

I'm looking for people with *fast* internet connection to test it.

You will need about 20GB of network bandwidth to pull in all the sources, and around 60 GB to build the software. To be safe make sure you have 100GB free space.
I made it so the build uses your local tools and also it will pull in your own CFLAGS. For now only GCC is supported but if there's a request i might change that.

I haven't had the time to fill in properly the Dependencies so, sorry about that. make sure you have 'nodejs' installed and all the dependencies needed for a normal chromium build..
last thing, you might need to turn off the network filter because the emerge sandbox will prevent the installation to fetch the sources properly via git.
something like FEATURES="-network-sandbox" in your make.conf or just before the emerge command will do.

Happy testing!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

should "+widevine" be on by default?? I think it's nicer to have it in so people don't need to go recompile when they need to watch video.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Added disk and memory check, and proper dependencies.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

philmb wrote:
hi folks! I have made a Brave ebuild for gentoo. Testing it now, it is pretty speedy and seems to work fine.

You can use my overlay at https://github.com/sinetek/gentoo-overlay

I'm looking for people with *fast* internet connection to test it.

You will need about 20GB of network bandwidth to pull in all the sources, and around 60 GB to build the software. To be safe make sure you have 100GB free space.
I made it so the build uses your local tools and also it will pull in your own CFLAGS. For now only GCC is supported but if there's a request i might change that.

I haven't had the time to fill in properly the Dependencies so, sorry about that. make sure you have 'nodejs' installed and all the dependencies needed for a normal chromium build..
last thing, you might need to turn off the network filter because the emerge sandbox will prevent the installation to fetch the sources properly via git.
something like FEATURES="-network-sandbox" in your make.conf or just before the emerge command will do.

Happy testing!

Hi. I'm interested in testing this and have the bandwidth but what exactly is this version providing that the current brave-overlay doesn't?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

philmb wrote:

You will need about 20GB of network bandwidth to pull in all the sources, and around 60 GB to build the software. To be safe make sure you have 100GB free space.


Without attempting to build yet, these numbers feel wayyyy off. They look superweird.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

philmb wrote:
should "+widevine" be on by default?? I think it's nicer to have it in so people don't need to go recompile when they need to watch video.


It's only needed for DRM content. Normal h264 content should play without.

Some people care about that...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Budoka wrote:

Hi. I'm interested in testing this and have the bandwidth but what exactly is this version providing that the current brave-overlay doesn't?


This one is building directly from sources using your toolchain instead of a binary distribution.
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