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kirill
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2002 7:23 pm    Post subject: NVdriver (nvidia) lockups Reply with quote

I've seen in some threads on these forums, that people have been complaining about starting xfree86 with the NVdriver loaded, but there weren't really any clear answers. I have experienced one specifical problem, and now I found out how to fix it.

SYMPTOMS: When starting XFree, the nVidia logo comes up, but then the system locks up (or at least seems to).
Some people have been told to use the nologo option in XF86Config, but this would only show another "logo", which is blank (white) ;)

BACKGROUND: Linux version 2.4.19-gentoo-r7, XFree86 Version 4.2.0, NVIDIA NVdriver Kernel Module 1.0-2960, RIVA TNT2 Model 64.

FIX: enable General setup/System V IPC in kernel.

That's it:!: I enabled this -> it began working, disabled -> it crashed, enabled again -> works again.

How did I come up with this? I had my card working fine before, on every distribution I ever used, then I started to play with my kernel. I read the HELP for "System V" (which is default) and thought "Wtf I dont need this DOSEMU cr*ap, lets disable this". Of course I disabled many other thingies in the kernel, so it took some time to figure out what I did wrong and where ;)

So what did we learn on this? dont f*ck with kernel's defaults, they are there for GOOD :twisted:

P.S. this is only one of the problems people (including me), have experienced with NVdriver, but I only know a clear solution to this one ;)
P.S. some keywords for searchers: nvidia lock up xfree logo splash system ipc
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2002 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was having the same problem, tried a hunderd different things, but an odd sequence fixed it:

recompiled kernel deleted all my nvidia stuff then recompiled all the nvidia stuff and it worked.

very strange, but hey as long as it works :)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why not just use the nv drivers? that is unless you like using proprietary drivers released by a company.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2002 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why i use NVidias own drivers:
- 3d acceleration (fast)
- Nice twinview support (with 3d acceleration on both monitors)

Those are the main reasons.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2002 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last time I looked the nv drivers don't support the GF4 either...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2002 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why people keep complaining all over the web about the Nvidia closed-source drivers. Would you rather they make no drivers for Linux available at all? They have in fact put a great deal of effort into creating a cross platform driver architecture that allows them to deliver all the new features that Windows drivers have to Linux, and yet all these people complain that the drivers are not open source?

Not only that, but in fact much of the Nvidia drivers may be covered by patents licensed from other IP holders. So in fact Nvidia may not be able to release open source drivers even if they wanted to.

ATI has been noteworthy for shoddy, low performance drivers on all operating systems and in fact does not provide Linux drivers for many of their cards. ATI's site even admits that you can expect a delay of at least 12 weeks for Linux drivers to be available from when their card ships. So basically you can get 3rd party drivers of low quality when the card is already outdated. (or get good drivers from Xig in which case they are closed source as well).

I think instead of attacking Nvidia's stance we should be applauding them for actually showing a commitment to Linux as a graphics platform. The fact that ATI does not write full featured Linux drivers for many cards shows that Linux is a second class platform to them.

Sorry, didn't mean to rant, but the frequency with which I keep seeing this has been bothering me. I in no way mean this as a personal attack on anyone but rather just a statement of opinion. I'd definitely be interested to hear it if there's some major argument I'm missing here.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2002 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but nvidia has their sources available now, don't they? (My *personal* opinion is that drivers should be released to the community under a GPL (or even LGPL) license considering their function)
To play devils advocate here, I hardly see 12-weeks as reaching the point where the card is outdated. Even the processor industry doesn't move that fast.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 9:32 pm    Post subject: nVIDIA Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm having the "NVdriver problem" and I've had System V IPC in my kernel all along.
So for me it's probably something else.. :(

Meanwhile I'm using the nv driver, slow as it is.

Anyone know for sure what 'requirements' there are for the kernel to be able to use nvidia's drivers ?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2002 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kirill wrote:
FIX: enable General setup/System V IPC in kernel.

That's it:!: I enabled this -> it began working, disabled -> it crashed, enabled again -> works again.


Well no go for me...

eonic wrote:
I'm having the "NVdriver problem" and I've had System V IPC in my kernel all along.
So for me it's probably something else..


Same thing for me, got my GF4 Ti 4200 card today and # XFree86 freeze display after Nvidia logo is shown and reboot by reset is only option. :evil:

If there at least was an error statement in the log file, but no...

EDIT: After hours of probing, recompiling, coffee etc. etc. I finaly figured out what it was. I have an USB mouse and the XFree86 -configure didn't probe (or guessed) it right. Here is how I now have it setup in XF86Config:
Code:

Section "InputDevice"

# Identifier and driver

    Identifier   "Mouse0"
    Driver   "mouse"
    Option "Protocol"    "IMPS/2"
    Option "Device"      "/dev/input/mouse0"
  EndSection



Now finaly X starts hurray!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2002 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had some issues with the nvidia drivers when I got them via portage but as soon as I dl directly from nividia and applied them the good ol fashion way everything worked :)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2002 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea it looks like the portage distfiles where not making the .o file in the X11 modules dir. The tars from right from nvidia.com worked just fine.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2003 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your solution worked for me, thx!
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PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2004 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MoonWalker wrote:
kirill wrote:
FIX: enable General setup/System V IPC in kernel.

That's it:!: I enabled this -> it began working, disabled -> it crashed, enabled again -> works again.


EDIT: After hours of probing, recompiling, coffee etc. etc. I finaly figured out what it was. I have an USB mouse and the XFree86 -configure didn't probe (or guessed) it right. Here is how I now have it setup in XF86Config:
Code:

Section "InputDevice"

# Identifier and driver

    Identifier   "Mouse0"
    Driver   "mouse"
    Option "Protocol"    "IMPS/2"
    Option "Device"      "/dev/input/mouse0"
  EndSection



Now finaly X starts hurray!!!


I don't have that device in /dev (mouse is supposed to be mapped to /dev/input/mice), but have yet to get the mouse working (Logitech optical USB), but I believe this to be because I did not enable an option in the kernel (which I added, and will be replacing the kernel tonight when I get home to see if it works, now). But what exactly, did you change which was causing the problem?

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