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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 10:49 am    Post subject: n00b - fix 1.4 install, or clean install 2004.0? Reply with quote

hello all.

i've been meaning to get Gentoo running on my PB (1.25GHz) for a long time.

the last time i had some time i got it installed, but it won't boot though, so i've got some tweaking to do.

i'm wondering if it's worth fixing up the install of Gentoo 1.4 that i've got (partially) installed now... or would it be easier to just wipe my Gentoo partiton and start clean with Getnoo 2004.0?

i think some of my problems with my 1.4 install came when i was messing around with a benh kernel. that made me deviate from the instructions... and as a n00b that really messed me up.

also, i remember the PPC install guide used to be at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-ppc-install.xml. that was really helpful for a first timer getting Gentoo running. (or at least partially installed in my case :p) so is there a specific PPC guide anymore? or is it all in the handbook?

are there major changes with 2004.0? i've been trying to find some documentation, buy anyway.... any help would be appreciated.

thanks. :)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i for one would definitely try a new install, use the gentoo installation handbook.

The 2004 release has good things in it, also i reccomend emerging the ppc-development-sources.

If you need help you can always visit #gentoo-ppc on freenode, or this forum...

greetings,


ps don't forget reading the faq.. some usefull things here
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, i was thinking a clean install would be the easiest.

oh well... i've got lots of reading (and printing) to do. :)

>> just thought of another question... i've already got my partitions for Gentoo setup. can i avoid re-partitioning if i install the 2004 release?

what should i do? just erase each partition, leaving them intact and at their current sizes?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need to repartition (run mac-fdisk) if you don't want to. Just reformat the partitions (run mkfs.ext3)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good to hear that i can just re-format.

i don't want to re-partition because of the risk of accidentally wiping my other OS X partitions. :o :)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

probably safer to mount the partition and then do something like "rm -rf /mnt/gentoo" rather than reformatting then
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh ok. so that will just remove my Gentoo partition? and what do the 'rf' flags mean? (don't forget i'm a n00b :p)

so /mnt/getnoo is the main partition that Gentoo is actually installed on? so if i just delete that i'll be able to leave the bootstrap and other partitions alone then?

that might get tricky for me though, because then i'd have to deviate from the installation handbook... and that's what i'll mostly be relying on to get Gentoo installed.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mugget wrote:
oh ok. so that will just remove my Gentoo partition? and what do the 'rf' flags mean? (don't forget i'm a n00b :p)


No, that will delete all the files on the filesystem on your Gentoo partition, assuming you have already mounted your partition at the mountpoint /mnt/gentoo.

'r' means recursive and 'f' means force.

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so /mnt/getnoo is the main partition that Gentoo is actually installed on? so if i just delete that i'll be able to leave the bootstrap and other partitions alone then?


No, the partition that Gentoo is installed on is represented by the device /dev/hda3 or /dev/hb4 or something like that. /mnt/gentoo is the mount point where the install instructions tell you to mount the partition.

I was not suggesting you delete the partition, merely that you delete all the files that are on the partition. If you have any other linux partitions you will need to wipe (reformat or delete all files) from them as well. You won't need to do anything special to the bootstrap partition - just follow the instructions in the handbook to install yaboot as normal.

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that might get tricky for me though, because then i'd have to deviate from the installation handbook... and that's what i'll mostly be relying on to get Gentoo installed.


Just follow the handbook and reformat the partition then. Reformatting is quicker than deleting anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay, reformat it is. and gentoo_user2003, thanks alot for explaining that. :)

i'm just downloading the iso now... i noticed that it is only one CD. when i DL'd Getnoo 1.4 it was a 2 CD set. is the LiveCD 2CD set only available if you purchase it now?

if i bought the 2CD set would the first CD be the same as i'm downloading now? i'd really like to get that second CD as well with all of those extras on it. was there just not enough space to host the 2CD set, or what happened?

is it okay to distribute the Getnoo iso's? i was looking for a Torrent file so i could get it faster... why aren't they using BitTorrent to distribute Gentoo?

i don't mind buying the 2CD set... but i'm just wondering about that.



edit>> i'm really confused about where to download the 2nd CD now. i'm DL'ing 'packages-G4-2004.0.iso' now... but i just looked in gentoo/releases/ppc/2004.0/livecd/universal/ and there's a file called 'install-universal-ppc-2004.0.iso'. i was reading the handbook about this and it made it sound like the actualy 1st CD that you install Gentoo from was called 'install...iso' and the 2nd CD with the extras was called 'packages...iso'?

do have i just started downloading the 2nd CD first? :p

so can someone sort me out? is the file 'packages-g4-2004.0.iso' the installer? if not... is there a G4 specific installer... or should i be downloading the file 'install-universal-ppc-2004.0.iso'? :?:


also, how long do you thing it would take to install from Stage2 if i'm reading every step in the handbook twice... taking my time? assuming everything goes smoothly? i just want to be able to schedule some time in my week when i'll be able to install it. last time i messed around for 2-3 days. :o this time i want to have it done and working by Wednesday afternoon...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'install-universal-ppc-2004.0.iso' is the CD which you boot from to perform the install. 'packages-G4-2004.0.iso' contains precompiled binary packages which you can install afterwards if you want.

Yes, you can distribute Gentoo ISOs. If your download is slow then you should try another mirror. I get 10mbit/sec from my local mirror. (ftp://ftp.lancs.mirror.ac.uk)

How long a stage 2 install takes depends on how many packages you want to install. A minimal system with no GUI might just take a couple of hours, but if you intend to compile XFree86, KDE, Gnome and OpenOffice, it would take several days.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah thanks. i've got it all sorted out now. :)

still downloading, but i should be alright.

thanks heaps for the help, i'll probably still be back though. :p

edit>> extra questions. :p

i understand that if i use a Gentoo installation with the network all setup i'll be able to have an installation based on the most recent Portage tree. but if i don't setup the networking i'll just be using the Portage snapshot included on the CDs. i'm not too worried about not having the most upto date system, because the diferences would be minor, right? and it's easy enough to update later.

but if i don't setup networking during the install... i'll still have to set it up later if i want to use the net won't i?

but i guess i just want to get it installed... so i will do it later.

i'm not sure if i just asked a question or not... it's getting late now.
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