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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:21 am    Post subject: Gentoo on PB 12" - Newbie to Gentoo on PPC Reply with quote

Hi all! I've been lurking around the forum a little seeing what possibility there is for putting Gentoo on my relatively new 12" PowerBook (1 GHz). I guess my main question involves finding out what components of my PB will and won't work. Here's what I've seen so far; please correct and assist me (kindly) as needed.

Video: 2D supported only (GeForce FX Go5200)
Sound (out): supported
Sound (in): no idea
USB: at least 1.1 supported (what about 2.0?)
Firewire 400: no idea (I assume supported)
WiFi Network: unsupported (Airport Extreme)
Trackpad and button: no idea
Sleep-on-close: no idea
Extra keys/functions (Eject, Volume, Brightness): no idea
CD-RW: supported (combo drive)

A couple of other questions: How is battery life? What's the trickiest part of installation? Is the whole process worth it? I like OS X, but I really wouldn't mind having Gentoo again without sacrificing the compatibility of my Windows box (sacrilege, I know).

Thanks to all who pitch in. I've had Gentoo on my PC several times and each time has been a pleasant experience. I got so used to Portage that once I started dinking around in Darwin, I really started to miss it. Look forward to hearing from people.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Video: 2D supported only (GeForce FX Go5200)
Sound (out): works
Sound (in): should work
USB: 2.0 should work just fine
Firewire 400: supported
WiFi Network: unsupported (Airport Extreme)
Trackpad and button: supported
Sleep-on-close: supported
Extra keys/functions (Eject, Volume, Brightness): supported
CD-RW: supported (combo drive)

I put gentoo on my old powerbook G4. the original 500Mhz 15" Ti with 512MB ram. Its great and seems a lot snappier than OSX. I still boot up into OSX inside of mac-on-linux to use iCal and iPhoto and server admin tools for work, but its pretty much linux all day every day.

Battery life seems the same if not better than in osx. The hardest part for me was just thinking about the way apple does partitions and digging through the new install guide. I can install on x86 without the guide and had not used it since everything got merged together.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, ckdake, good info! I'm glad to hear Sleep-on-close is supported--I use that a lot when I'm just dinking around on the PB. Are there any battery meter apps for common desktop environments (KDE, Gnome)? That would be helpful for determining how my power is doing. Anyway, thanks again. I think I just might try this out.

BTW, is the partitioning really difficult? I imagine the PPC Installation Guide is as thorough and easy-to-use as the x86 one, but I know very little about the PPC architecture. Thanks!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

parttioning isn't that bad, its just different and I was trying to make sure i could still use OSX before my Gentoo installation was finished.

I use xfce4 and it has a battery applet, I am sure there are ones for gnome and KDE as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, i can confirm that kde has a battery applet..

also, if you dont want to use heavy managers like that, some apps like gkrellm have a battery meter as well as all the other monitoring things.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ckdake wrote:
parttioning isn't that bad, its just different and I was trying to make sure i could still use OSX before my Gentoo installation was finished.

I use xfce4 and it has a battery applet, I am sure there are ones for gnome and KDE as well.


So, if you do the partitioning wrong, will Mac-on-Linux not work? Are there many good n00b-oriented HOW-TOs for this? Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if OSX will boot up using yaboot, mac-on-linux should work just fine. Its just a bit scary first looking at it. here is my partition setup on my powerbook:

Code:
/dev/hda1     Apple_partition_map Apple                    63 @ 1        ( 31.5k)  Partition map
/dev/hda2          Apple_Driver43 Macintosh                56 @ 64       ( 28.0k)  Driver 4.3
/dev/hda3          Apple_Driver43 Macintosh                56 @ 120      ( 28.0k)  Driver 4.3
/dev/hda4        Apple_Driver_ATA Macintosh                56 @ 176      ( 28.0k)  Unknown
/dev/hda5        Apple_Driver_ATA Macintosh                56 @ 232      ( 28.0k)  Unknown
/dev/hda6          Apple_FWDriver Macintosh               512 @ 288      (256.0k)  Unknown
/dev/hda7      Apple_Driver_IOKit Macintosh               512 @ 800      (256.0k)  Unknown
/dev/hda8           Apple_Patches Patch Partition         512 @ 1312     (256.0k)  Unknown
/dev/hda9         Apple_Bootstrap bootstrap              1600 @ 1824     (800.0k)  NewWorld bootblock/dev/hda10        Apple_UNIX_SVR2 swap                1048576 @ 3424     (512.0M)  Linux swap
/dev/hda11        Apple_UNIX_SVR2 linux              20260288 @ 1052000  (  9.7G)  Linux native
/dev/hda12              Apple_HFS Apple_HFS_Untitled_3 37292816 @ 21312288 ( 17.8G)  HFS
/dev/hda13             Apple_Free                          16 @ 58605104 (  8.0k)  Free space

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy... 8O

Hehe, maybe I should just put Gentoo on my PC again... :wink:

Nah, I really think Gentoo on my PB would be sweet. Thanks for all the help so far.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmmm...

ckdake wrote:
Video: 2D supported only (GeForce FX Go5200)
Sleep-on-close: supported

[...]
I put gentoo on my old powerbook G4. the original 500Mhz 15" Ti with 512MB ram.
[...]


Are you sure that sleep is supported by the Powerbooks G4 with a nvidia card? well, I have one, I installed gentoo and Mac OS X but sleep never worked, so that was so crappy cos having a laptop without sleep suppord is weird, I finally removed linux there but sure if it has sleep support I will install something there again.

As I see here all powerbooks G4 +nvidia do not have sleep support :cry:
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine is one of the original PBG4s with the 8MB or so ATI card.. It may be that sleep doesnt work with the nvidia ones.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TcB wrote:
Are you sure that sleep is supported by the Powerbooks G4 with a nvidia card? well, I have one, I installed gentoo and Mac OS X but sleep never worked, so that was so crappy cos having a laptop without sleep suppord is weird, I finally removed linux there but sure if it has sleep support I will install something there again.

As I see here all powerbooks G4 +nvidia do not have sleep support :cry:


I was hoping that the Yellow Dog lack of support was confined only to that distro and that perhaps Gentoo would not experience the same problems. And call me crazy, but isn't it less of a video adapter problem and more of an overall architecture problem to have Sleep work correctly? I mean, Sleep just allows you to keep the current work in memory and just start from where you left off when you put your laptop to bed, right? Just some thoughts. I would still love to install Gentoo, but I want to make sure I have good functionality when I do. Thanks for all the help!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I know is that sleep doesn't work in any G4 at this moment, bad luck :( I have been waiting almost a year but there isn't any improvement yet. Furthermore powerbooks (ibooks?) with nvidia card (like mine) have even less oportunities to get sleep support in the future cos nvidia doesn't want to help (give some specs).
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is coming from a diehard slackware user so take it for what it is worth. I installed Yellow Dog on my PB 12" a few months back and rarely used it. I tried getting MOL running but could not get anything above 8 bit video. This weekend I went back and re-did the Yellow Dog install with the newer version of YD. Still no better than 8bit. I even tried recompling the kernel, which kept failing, because I wanted the rivafb.

Anyway, I decided to give Gentoo a shot, and boy am I certainly glad I did. I did stage 1 install and while it took a significant amount of time (which is to be expected) I have never been happier. MOL works perfectly with 24bit support via the console framebuffer driver. I love the amount of control I have over the OS. The support from these forums and advice has been excellent.
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