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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 6:45 pm    Post subject: iBook G3 Pre-install questions Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

I think I am going to try to dual boot my iBook 800, but I have a few questions first.

1) I'd imagine I'd still be doing a good amount of work in OS X, as I am comfortable with it, and go to a lot of websites that use Flash. Eventually I will try to use MOL, but for now I'll dual boot. The iBook in question has a 30GB HDD, what should I do about partition sizes?

2) What am I looking at for times to get a decent system (some sort of WM, X, browser, etc) up and running? I don't mind compiling stuff, but I want to be able to use my computer while it's doign it. Can you mix and match binaries and source?

3) What sort of performance hit does OS X take in MOL? It says real time, but I can't imagine that you don't lose a bit of performance. The RAM is maxed out in my box, so I have plenty of multitasking space.

4) Will I see a big performance boost in Gentoo (most likely running GNOME, as I prefer it to KDE) over OS X for basic stuff? I don't really like how scrolling can take forever in X, though I love it as an OS.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

1. That is of course hard to answer as it will depend on your usage. But 20G for OSX and 10 for gentoo should be fine. Unless you end up like me exlusivley using gentoo and wasting a lot of space on your disk. :?

2. I would recommend a stage3 + GRP install as that should give you a running system with X and all in a few hours and the stuff gets recompiled with your settings when you upgrade your system anyway.

3. I find the performance amazing. It probably isn't realtime, but you should be able to do everything you want without any problem.

4. This is of course very subjective, but it seems a lot faster to me.

Have fun! :D
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info, I'll probably get started on that tonight. One question, maybe I'm just not looking in the right place, but is there a section of the Handbook for the GRP install? Also, once this is done, I can install programs by compiling as well, right?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-ppc.xml?full=1#book_id41431386_chap2_sect4

And it is no problem to compile packages after installing with grp.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Everyone,

Quick question, before I waste bandwidth downloading the packages CD. The bandwidth, to me, isn't the problem - I can wait a bit to download the files, and have them install. Is it possible to do binary installs with downloads (emerge -k)? If this works, that sounds like a better plan, as I will still only have to download what I want.

Also, what's the deal with genkernel? The handbook doesn't say a whole lot about this - will this work well with an iBook, rather than having to go though kernel compilation manually? I'm trying to do as much research on this stuff as possible, before I jump in.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody recommends genkernel, not even the devs on #gentoo-ppc. If you want an optimized system at all, you should really compile a custom kernel. A regular here on the forums, zojas, has an excellent web page on installing Gentoo on an iBook and includes his kernel config (and most any other config file you might need). Of course, you should look it over and take out/add what you need or don't need, but it will work fine as is.

Here is the link: http://www.desertsol.com/~kevin/ppc/

Have fun, and come back if you have any other questions :)

Oh, and im not 100% on this, but I don't think it is possible to install with binaries w/out the packages cd.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may also take look at PPC Config File Database.




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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if i remember correctly (sorry, havent had to go through an actuall ful install since 1.4) but the guide mentions most of the important things to enable on the kernel. i think i follwed that pretty closely to get a running system, and then played around with different settings. and i am using the g3 800 ibook you are talking about.


seems everything works pretty well, with the exception of the modem (stayed away from it after hearing about possible kernel panics etc.)



hope the install went well.

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