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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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kimchi_sg wrote:

Btw, thanks for mentioning me in the credits in your new 'stage 1 from stage 3' tutorial. :-)

I have to thank Bob P too ;)

i was only giving credit where credit is due. ;)

BTW -- congrats on becoming a Veteran! 8)

Hehe, thanks. Actually, this is the second time I became Veteran (OTW posts no longer count total posts) ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:43 pm    Post subject: nvidia kernel module problem... Reply with quote

Well, I guess I should be happy that i have a working Gentoo system. It took a while but I think everything major is installed and I can load into Xfce4. There are still some bugs to work out but I will figure them out eventually.

One that I am working on and failing at is the nvidia drivers. the gentoo-dev-source installed the linux-2.6.10-gentoo-r2 kernel. I have checked that the /usr/src/linux is correctly linked to this directory. I have emerged both nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx without problems. However, the nvidia module won't load. I get "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-gentoo-r2/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format" How can I fix this?

Thanks for the help. Hopefully one of these days I will actually know what I am doing.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't have any nvidia experience, but i bet that you'd find an answer if you posted this question about kernels & hardware in the Kernel & Hardware. forum. :wink:
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent some time on IRC and got it working. I ended up having to recompile my kernel and remerge the nvidia module. Still not sure why.

Thanks for the suggestions!!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

:D Thx a lot for this howto. It's a fantastic work!

:?: Absolute no way to get material from ali3nx.info. Just falling in an almost empty dir. As a gentoo newbe i would realy have appreciate to see the commented make.conf mentionned here before posting further comments.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Previous request solved.
I've got the wiki link on the 22th page as I posted my first msg :P
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:05 pm    Post subject: Hanging on boot Reply with quote

here is my prob after gentoo install: cant create lock file /etc/mtab : Read-only file system (use -n flag to override) : failed to open device /dev/hda3: no such file or directory : warning... fsck.reiserfs for device /dev/hda3 exited with signal 6 : /sbin/rc: line 250: rc_splash: command not found * filesystem couldnt be fixed : (


any help greatly welcomed!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm currently having the same issue as gen2slackhat.
I'm running a Compaq Armada 110 with Intel Celeron Coppermine processor. I'm also currently fiddling around with getting it work - will keep you posted if I succeed before someone else can provide a solution =)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject: hey freso... check this Reply with quote

boot up with livecd again... mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo... then do a "touch /etc/mtab" ... and it fixed for me... peeps are slow to help sometimes here... lol
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: hey freso... check this Reply with quote

gen2slackhat wrote:
boot up with livecd again... mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo... then do a "touch /etc/mtab" ... and it fixed for me... peeps are slow to help sometimes here... lol

the reason that people appear slow to respond in this forum is multifactorial. first, this is not a support forum, its a documentation forum. so support requests don't normally get filed here. those of us who do scan the support forums on an hourly basis look in the support forums for people that need help -- we don't look here. so the reason that you didn't get an answer as quickly as you might have liked was probably becasuse you didn't post in the best place to get a quick answer. :wink:
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are :p But, thanks, I'll go and try that right away =)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

another good place to go for a quick answer are the IRC channels mentioned in the the first post. you can get live, real-time help there.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I often find my questions being drowned out by other people there, plus my (wireless) network isn't working optimally under Linux and I also tend to get distracted with other things and might miss an answer there if I'm out in the kitchen or reading an article or recreationally rolling some D20'ies ;)
Edit: Btw, I was also still fiddling around, trying to figure it out myself, when I said that I too, had the exact same problem. Once I would be able to admit defeat, I'd probably go to one or more of the IRC rooms, ask on gentoo-user@ and/or ask more directly for support here. ;)

But gen2slackhat's solution worked, so, yay! Thank you :)

Now to enable framebuffering and get the PCMCIA card working properly, and then back to finding out how to get the USB one to work so the PCMCIA can get back to its rightful master... and then to X.org and other, heavier, stuff... Whee! Fun times are yet ahead! :D
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

success report :

Developers method under amd64 architecture... :-D


Bugs : i lost compatibility with grub-static, which seems not-nptl-friendly, and since I can't use grub-current... :-(
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

one million thankyou's to gen2slackhat for the "touch /etc/mtab" trick. my new laptop just booted . . . finally!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:38 am    Post subject: gettext fails Reply with quote

I have tried this method today (in the past it has worked on a identical system) and it fails on gettext... Anyway, after many attempts I went back to the beginning with only nptl in the USE flags and only using the standard gentoo install docs.

The bootstrapping installed both the 2.6 kernel headers and the standard kernel headers without complaints. Is this bad? At least it got past configuring gettext!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:31 am    Post subject: but wait, there's more... Reply with quote

IMHO if you want to do a stage 1 install with NPTL with the portage tree in its current state, you should *not* use this HOWTO. It simply did not work for me (where as, in the past it has).

I went back to the install documentation and did what the handbook said
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When you have set the nptl USE flag, running bootstrap.sh might fail with a message that linux-headers blocks linux26-headers. When you receive this error, remove linux-headers and retry


Code:
# emerge -C linux-headers
# emerge --oneshot --nodeps linux26-headers
# scripts/bootstrap.sh


<speculation>Perhaps there is something in portage today that makes gettext fail to build when following this HOWTO. I don't know. I'm just a n00b.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like it's been already said, 2004.3 stage1ball doesn't include linux-headers. You need to emerge linux26-headers and then run bootstrap script...

Please post some output of failed gettext compile if you want help ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oktane wrote:
Like it's been already said, 2004.3 stage1ball doesn't include linux-headers. You need to emerge linux26-headers and then run bootstrap script...

Please post some output of failed gettext compile if you want help ;)

indeed, with the advent of the 2004.3 Stage 1 ball, you don't need to remove the linux-headers before you emerge the linux26-headers. this is just another example of how tuts like this one tend to be more up to date than the GIH. The GIH was right when it was written, and it stayed right until 2004.2, but its no longer up to date. IMHO, this tut is much better if you want to do a 2004.3 Stage 1 install. :cool:

removing the linux headers is still something that you need to do if you're doing the Stage 1 install with a Stage 3 tarball, but that's a different story altogether. :idea:

if i had to take a wild guess at it, i'd bet that his gettext problem is a circular dependancy issue, but that's just a shot in the dark. :wink:

EDIT: circular dependancy. why do i keep typing redundancy?!? :wink:
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob P wrote:

if i had to take a wild guess at it, i'd bet that his gettext problem is a circular redundancy issue, but that's just a shot in the dark. :wink:


I'd take a guess at that too. I am unable to post the exact error now though. The bootstrapping completed gettext with both linux-headers and linux26-headers emerged. Then it failed (on glibc I think) and said it couldn't build with both headers installed. So I unmerge'ed linux-headers, ran bootstrap again and it kept going (had already merged gettext so it didn't have to again).

So my advice is simply to follow the gentoo documentation while doing a stage 1 install from the 2004.3 live CD (I used the minimal version).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Props for a great guide. I've been through many Gentoo installations and this one was by far the smoothest. My 400mhz workstation that was previously running Windows 2000 thanks you. I've never seen it with so much pep. It took a while to complete but boy was it worth it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tgriffiths wrote:

So my advice is simply to follow the gentoo documentation while doing a stage 1 install from the 2004.3 live CD (I used the minimal version).

God damn, this is alternative installation guide, which works as well as the one from Gentoo Handbook.

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Then it failed (on glibc I think) and said it couldn't build with both headers installed. So I unmerge'ed linux-headers, ran bootstrap again and it kept going (had already merged gettext so it didn't have to again).

I highly doubt that you didn't use 2004.3 stage1ball.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oktane, its frustrating. I've been suppressing my own dammits for a while now. :wink: After writing that 1 on 3 howto I found that there are quite a few people who think that its a good idea to "blend" installation methods, taking pieces from the GIH and pieces from the alternative installation howtos. I can't begin to tell you how many PMs i've received from people who thought my howto was b0rked because they only followed part of it. AARGH!!! :x we all know that you can't get linux-headers from a 2004.3 Stage 1 tarball. it appears that some people just lose track of what they were doing and what they were reading when they did it. :? the really annoying thing is that they insist that they are right and that the tuts are wrong. this tut is proven and tested. it works great, and it won't give you linux-headers. 8)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob P wrote:
Oktane, its frustrating. I've been suppressing my own dammits for a while now. :wink: After writing that 1 on 3 howto I found that there are quite a few people who think that its a good idea to "blend" installation methods, taking pieces from the GIH and pieces from the alternative installation howtos. I can't begin to tell you how many PMs i've received from people who thought my howto was b0rked because they only followed part of it. AARGH!!! :x we all know that you can't get linux-headers from a 2004.3 Stage 1 tarball. it appears that some people just lose track of what they were doing and what they were reading when they did it. :? the really annoying thing is that they insist that they are right and that the tuts are wrong. this tut is proven and tested. it works great, and it won't give you linux-headers. 8)

Indeed. If you don't know what you are doing, follow the tutorial step by step ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I highly doubt that you didn't use 2004.3 stage1ball


That's right. I did use 2004.3 stage 1 tarball booting using a 2004.3 minimal CD. As I said before, this tutorial has worked for me in the past, but for this system (identical to another that it was sucessful on but installed weeks earlier), it just didn't work. What more can I say?

Doesn't matter anyway. The gentoo docs have been updated to make people aware of what to do when installing with nptl in the USE flag. That worked for me.
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