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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2002 4:53 am    Post subject: Looking for Dreamweaver Equivalent Reply with quote

Hi,

what do u guy using for html edition?
what html editor do u guy suggest? Any Dreamweaver equivalent?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2002 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps Quanta (For KDE), I didn't use it. Or Bluefish.

But the fonctionnality of them are not equal to Dreamweaver (c) (tm)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2002 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or just do some real coding ;)

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2002 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Craigo.

;)

Dreamweaver and the like produce horrible code. You can always do better in your text editor of choice.

:P


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2002 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dreamweaver has a very nice editor - there's no reason you have to use the WYSIWYG stuff. DWmx also has site management and templating tools the likes of which I have yet to see elsewhere. If anyone knows of such (preferably free as in beer), please speak up.

That being said, I've concluded the other powers of Linux outweigh the benefits of DW, and it is one pricey editor, so I've chosen to live without it. In it's place I've found BlueFish is OK for HTML. It has a decent file browser, but I haven't found any site management capabilities.

For some reason I've found I like nedit best for pages with a lot of PHP. You can download the php syntax highlighting file. I like to type 'nedit *.php &' at a prompt in the directory where I have all the files I want to work on, then drag all the tabs together (thank you fluxbox!).

Now what I really find hard to live without is Fireworks and/or Photoshop. There's no substitute for being able to optimize images to just a few k in size in such a way that they still look great for the web. I think if you want to do all the Image Ready stuff and export html, even if it's bad html the optimized images totally make up for it. Besides, my peers who make a living in web development all do it that way (because they have deadlines to meet), and I'm still answering phones on a corporate help desk :) If anyone knows how to make Gimp do these things.....

Anyway, there's my $0.02.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2002 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now fireworks, there's an awesome tool.

;)

Image size doesn't make up for crappy html though. :P Even if I use dreamweaver to get a rough output quickly I still clean it up in Ultraedit (on Win). If I ever used Image Ready (which I wouldn't, nothing beats fireworks) I'd do the same with it's output.

The thing that annoys me the most about Dreamweaver is the ridiculous image swapping javascript it spits out.

:P

Might try nedit, I don't like gedit. It's got no highlighting. I was using Anjuta (full development IDE), but it's got annoying line spacing that I can't work out how to change.

And as I tell my girlfriend (pro web designer and graphic artist). Just because your peers do it, doesn't make it the right way.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2002 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked dreamweaver when I tried it, but never could get it to do what I wanted it to do, and it crashed on me frequently so I stopped trying. Ended up using firstpage most of the time. Fireworks was also nice, and I probably would have bought it if my trial period had expired before I switched to linux.
For linux I currently use bluefish, which is simmilar to firstpage (not frontpage). Screem is another available editor/environment (I've only glanced at it so far). I haven't tried any wysiwyg programs (simmilar to dreamweaver). I haven't heard of any open source versions but there are some commercial variations. Don't recall the names though, and don't know if they are any good.
Star office has a web editor. It's ok for some things, but you edit in it's native format, so any tweaking you do to the code will be lost every time you load it back into star office. Mozilla composer also works for simple things.
The only one I'd be willing to recommend right now is bluefish.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2002 8:29 pm    Post subject: What about WINE? Reply with quote

I'm not sure if this works as I have not tried it, but I found this mini-howto about getting Dreamweaver MX to work with WINE. http://frankscorner.org/wine/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=36&page=1
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2002 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I've used Quanta and found it to be very good. As with most WYSIWYG editor, the code isn't brilliant but it has a nice editor and helps to take the sting out of raw HTML.

I've also had a play with PPWizard which is a very powerful pre-processor and with the combinaton of the two you can do some nice things quite easily.

Cheers.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2002 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: What about WINE? Reply with quote

krazo wrote:
I'm not sure if this works as I have not tried it, but I found this mini-howto about getting Dreamweaver MX to work with WINE. http://frankscorner.org/wine/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=36&page=1


I have been working on getting Dreamweaver MX to work on my Gentoo 1.4 box. It doesn't work if you emerge wine (at least not for me). I installed wine 20021007 from source and it completed the install - following the instructions linked above. I still need to find the DLLs the instructions are talking about and import them -> then I will see if it works. If it does I will post a new thread to let all know.

One problem I expect is that during the install it says DW required MDAC 2.6+, which requires IE, which from what I understand does not currently work on Wine.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2002 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Might try nedit, I don't like gedit. It's got no highlighting.


My favorite editor (along the lines of nedit) is jEdit. It is a "programmer's text editor" written in Java - but don't let that stop you. I've found it to be remarkably easy to use, and I can safely say that it was the first Java app that I ever saw that convinced me Java can perform as good as a native program.

jEdit has plenty of features built-in (like syntax highlighting modes for 50+ languages), and also supports macros (written in an interpreted Java-like language called Beanshell) and plugins (written in full Java). There are many plugins available - including an XML plugin that provides useful HTML editing features like tag completion. There's even a great community site for jEdit at http://community.jedit.org/.

jEdit still isn't a Dreamweaver replacement, but for code editing, I find it to be indispensable.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2002 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Might try nedit, I don't like gedit. It's got no highlighting.


My favorite editor (along the lines of nedit) is jEdit. It is a "programmer's text editor" written in Java - but don't let that stop you. I've found it to be remarkably easy to use, and I can safely say that it was the first Java app that I ever saw that convinced me Java can perform as good as a native program.

jEdit has plenty of features built-in (like syntax highlighting modes for 50+ languages), and also supports macros (written in an interpreted Java-like language called Beanshell) and plugins (written in full Java). There are many plugins available - including an XML plugin that provides useful HTML editing features like tag completion. There's even a great community site for jEdit at http://community.jedit.org/.

jEdit still isn't a Dreamweaver replacement, but for code editing, I find it to be indispensable.


Yep, i would have to agree with you on that one.... i used to do all dev on ultraedit, but after i tried jedit, i found every feature i needed.... (for instance, i didn't need ftp support in my text editor). Customizable syntax highlighting, global search and replace, and well, i haven't noticed any stability issues... so it's looking on the up and up :)

I tried using ultraedit in wine, but i experienced an "Unhandled exception".... i can't have that happening in the middle of a project.... so chose jedit in the end :)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2002 4:46 am    Post subject: Re: What about WINE? Reply with quote

nuance9 wrote:
One problem I expect is that during the install it says DW required MDAC 2.6+, which requires IE,


Not true. MDAC's are available as standalone installers. Pretty sure they don't need IE. :-)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2002 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious:

I think that used to be true. But I know with MDAC 2.6 a minimum of IE 4.0 is required.

From the system requirement for install on page

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/support/MDAC/26setupfaq.asp

It says:

Q. What are the system requirements for installing MDAC 2.6?
A. The minimum system requirements necessary to install and use MDAC 2.6 are:

A 486 or faster processor.
Microsoft Windows® 95, Microsoft Windows 98, Microsoft Windows NT® 4.0 Service Pack 5 or later, Microsoft Windows 2000®, or Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition.
Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.01 Service Pack 2 or later.
Distributed Component Object Model (DCOM 95), originally provided with Internet Explorer 4.01 Service Pack 2.
Administrator permissions on the computer (if you are using Microsoft Windows NT® or Windows 2000).
Approximately 20 MB of free disk space on the system drive.

Plus, I tried installing MDAC 2.6 with the stand alone installer, and it comes up with an error saying something to the effect: "Internet Explorer was not detected, and is required."

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2002 4:09 pm    Post subject: Some honest help here... Reply with quote

Windows is the home of the "Killer App." The Windows computing philosophy is based upon large programs that are able to handle all you needs.

Unix, on the other hand, is build upon lots of small tools that work very well together. By using these tools intelligently, you can get amazing amounts of work done in a small amount of time.

For HTML editing, try one of the two Holy Text Editors Of Unix: Emacs or vi. There's a learning curve to both, but they're both amazing in their capability. Emacs is a Mack Truck: Big, strong, and it can haul just about anything. It's extendable in LISP, and lots of people already have. You can surf the web and read email from inside your text editor, if you like, and many do. Just "emerge emacs" and you're ready to go.

Vi is... well... different. It's a descendant of very old days of computing, when text editing was done one line at a time. It's so different from everything else that most people find it arcane and confusing. But every (almost) Unix comes with some flavor of vi installed. Gentoo is one of the few that isn't configured with vi from the get-go. There's a newer, better version of vi known as Vim (Vi Improved), and it's pretty amazing. It's also my text editor of choice. Just "emerge vim" and then "ln -s /usr/bin/vim /usr/bin/vi" and you're set. There's a text-based tutorial (It's a text file that, as you read and follow the instructions, teaches you how to use the basics.) that you should try. Just do a search for "vi tutor" on google.

Then, tab over to your web browser and flip back and forth. I use a dual monitor setup, and keep mozilla (Until I can get galeon working well for me in gentoo) in one screen and vi in a huge term in the other.

I've got syntax highlighting, the best search-and-replace in the known universe (vi is lightning fast and uses regular expressions. Tough to learn but worth it). I use Perl and its various CPAN libraries to make my web stuff work, and HTML::Template saves me lots of time in basic HTML coding. I code to either HTML 3.2 (For most of my work projects, where bottom line compatibility is king) or HTML 4.01 with CSS (For personal stuff). I've never been more productive.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2002 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree !!

Vi is the great ... i like it so much i even installed it on my Windows partition. Who needs Notepad ! :roll:

Get Vi, the only downside is the control ... but once you het used to it, you dont want to use anything else anymore 8)

But i can't help u on-topic, the functionality of Dreamweaver cant be found in a Linux-version :?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anyone try running Dreamweaver under wine as suggested in one of the posts above?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the others have mentioned - jEdit ROCKS !

I use it for my all my development work in both C and PHP.

The "Plugins" are slanted towards Java for sure, but it is one heck of an editor !

It's a DAV plugin away from being perfect ! (for me anyway ;) )
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ViMan wrote:
Did anyone try running Dreamweaver under wine as suggested in one of the posts above?


I got DW MX running under Wine. See this thread:

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=19358&highlight=

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most posters missed the original problem (or am I just making sure I can get my question into this thread?)

It is not the HTML-editing of DW that I am trying to find a replacement for, but rather the automatic link-update, check before deleting files --> all the nice site management functions.

For example: If I change a file name, then I want all references in my site to change as well. Same if I delete a file - I should get a warning which documents reference the file I am deleting.

Any suggestions?

Someone mentioned Perl and CPAM and I am sure that is a possible route, but I don't know enough about it ... Could you elaborate a little?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Some honest help here... Reply with quote

khudgins wrote:

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Then, tab over to your web browser and flip back and forth.
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And to get you even more productive give this Link a try :-)

http://www.pcquest.com/content/linux/handson/101100102.asp

It tells you how to set up an wysiwyg-Environment with VIM and your favorite Browser.

And btw Dreamweaver MX works perfect with the commercial crossoffice environment from http://www.codeweavers.com/products/office/ and if you allready have spend your money for a licence for Dreamweaver, the crossover licence is much cheaper than to set up and configure your wine environment. :-)

with the crossocveroffice Product you allso get an installation of IE which i think you need to test your Sites, when you make your money with web design :-)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW only the retail version of Dreamweaver MX will work with wine, the trial version will not.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Some honest help here... Reply with quote

alraune wrote:
khudgins wrote:

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Then, tab over to your web browser and flip back and forth.
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And btw Dreamweaver MX works perfect with the commercial crossoffice environment from http://www.codeweavers.com/products/office/ and if you allready have spend your money for a licence for Dreamweaver, the crossover licence is much cheaper than to set up and configure your wine environment. :-)

with the crossocveroffice Product you allso get an installation of IE which i think you need to test your Sites, when you make your money with web design :-)

bye Alex


hmm strange, as the medal about dreamweaver at the codeweavers' website says "Known not to work"...hrm...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2003 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't say if DWMX works with Codeweavers, but I have got it working nearly perfectly with Wine. The only issue I have come across is that the color selector on the properties box will crash the app - but that is the only thing. Everything else has worked fine.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you use KDE, give quanta a trie! I haven't tried it yet (I prefer vim: syntax highlighting, code completion, ...) but i think it has site management and such.

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