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What do you think about it?
AHHHHHH!!!! this is terrible!!!
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Oh good, now more people can use Gentoo
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:49 am    Post subject: VidaLinux - Gentoo with Anaconda installer Reply with quote

has anybody seen this?
http://gentoo.vidalinux.com/?q=
screenshot1
screenshot2
(more screenshots in the site)

it a Gentoo stage3 installetion with Anaconda (Red Hat's installer)
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If gentoo users don't have to take the ultimate test of making it through the installation, gentoo's userbase will become a bunch of "wannabe leet haxxors".

Much like myself ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind having a graphical install, I'll still do it the text based way. I have a friend who I got hooked on Linux, although I couldn't convince him to use Gentoo since it was text based, so he bought a collection of SuSE cds for 30 bucks. (The Boxed Edition) and he doesn't really like the rpm's but also doesn't want to move to something like Gentoo, since the install is hard. So I welcome this.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i welcome this as well, since i see no reason why gentoo can
not be both easy and powerful - guis do not have to replace
command line tools in order for them to work.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

brenden wrote:
...gentoo's userbase will become a bunch of "wannabe leet haxxors".


Errr...so what you're telling us is that the majority of the Gentoo userbase will remain the same? ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to say this is terrible, but only because AFAICT, their hacked anaconda still uses RPM to do the initial install.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good points:
GUIs
GNOME default desktop

Bad point:
it's still Gentoo
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is all about choices, and I don't mind w/ graphical installation approach.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i think its a good idea it means that next time i want to install on another computer it will take me less time and also people that don't want to go through major install times to get it running can do so and still have the benefits of gentoo
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

msimplay wrote:
well i think its a good idea it means that next time i want to install on another computer it will take me less time and also people that don't want to go through major install times to get it running can do so and still have the benefits of gentoo


umm.. don't be so sure. having a graphical installation program doesn't guarantee that you will spend less time in installation process.
having a tar.gz image will do. all you have to do is
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mount -o bind /proc /var/local/image/proc
chroot /var/local/image
emerge sync
emerge -uD world

from time to time.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it does in this case because a default gentoo install doesn't have a desktop
installation
and u spend quite a bit of time just downloading some basic applications that you may need

like a Gecko Based browser

and it being based on Gentoo is Vidalinux's biggest strength :D
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The text-based installer used by Slackware and FreeBSD would be better.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrness wrote:
msimplay wrote:
well i think its a good idea it means that next time i want to install on another computer it will take me less time and also people that don't want to go through major install times to get it running can do so and still have the benefits of gentoo

umm.. don't be so sure. having a graphical installation program doesn't guarantee that you will spend less time in installation process.

but this is a stage3 installation so it wont take same amount of time as a stage1 (graphic or text) installation.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

newbie_100 wrote:
but this is a stage3 installation so it wont take same amount of time as a stage1 (graphic or text) installation.
Use a standard stage3 install then.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do as I do, build from stage 1 using the buildpkg features flag, install whatever software you want, copy all the .tbz2 files to a CD, and then when you use your Gentoo LiveCD with a Stage3 install, just install all of your binary packages, upgrading over whatever versions the CD may have. I did this to quickly install Gentoo on a computer without a network connection. Worked perfectly.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that a GUI install is a good way to help new people ease their way into Linux.
Personally, I prefer the text based one. I take pleasure in knowing that my system is tailored to my needs, and that I have control over the whole process.
Not everyone thinks like that, neither should they have to. See it's all about choices, and Gentoo lets you do exactly that. :)

I'm also glad that people are given the choice to try a high performace OS for themselves, with a minimum of effort on their part. I think that this will ultimately encourage them to try the more hands-on approach when they feel more confident.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I especially like is how quickly they've managed to get infrastructure in place to support their distro with mirrors for ebuilds and what not.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tryin it out on my 2nd hard drive now. I have to say that I like the quick and painless install, except they need nvidia-kernel 1.0-6111 drivers at default.

I will help the developers as much as possible if I can.

Good Job vidalinux
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freedom of Choice, let people decide what they like.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

makes it look alot like red hat and so on. but it would be easier for new gentoo users to install it
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool. Remember powerful != hard to use. (Says the Mac user)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UPDATE: deleted from HD and putting gentoo back on the HD.
OH WELL, sorry vidalinux, but i got to have raw gentoo on my system. I will try it again when they have a stable release out.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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UPDATE: deleted from HD and putting gentoo back on the HD.
OH WELL, sorry vidalinux, but i got to have raw gentoo on my system. I will try it again when they have a stable release out.


What exactly happend?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree w/ Nightgrave. If the gentoo userbase can grow just by having a gui installer why not go for it? I think that a graphical installer would be nice. The fact that someone uses a different distro, Fedora, SuSE whatever doesnt make them wannabes, we want people to use Gentoo correct? That is the end result that wed like to see (at least me) if a gui installer will help that long I am all for it. + I didnt choose gentoo b/c the install was text based, who really cares. There are a ton of other features that make Gentoo as good an OS as it is.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see things differently. I don't care if Joe decides to use whatever distro instead of gentoo. I don't want to live in a world with only one linux distro left!

All I want is having a decent gentoo user base in order to have sufficient community support for our common problems.
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