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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doh! forgot john5788 !!!

John5788: agree with you
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I was just making it clearer that buying an ATI card for linux is not a good idea at all. Anyone doing a bit of research would know that. There's nothing that can be done at present to make your card work, and I don't think there will anytime soon. And even the opengl-performance of the windows-driver isn't really good.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah.. i am going to buy geforce 6800.. but its damn expensive with new 400w powersupply.. that i have to buy it to work
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What really bothers me is the pure hunger for electricity now AND there there is not that much effort in trying to save energy when not all of the CPU/GPU power is used.
Why they just dont force the same system they already use in laptops to desktop PCs?

Sorry if it is a little bit of topic ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yeah.. i am going to buy geforce 6800.. but its damn expensive with new 400w powersupply.. that i have to buy it to work
Nvidia recommends a 350W power supply for the 6800GT and regular 6800. MSI's site recommends a 350W PS for the 6800/6800GT and 6800Ultra.

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What really bothers me is the pure hunger for electricity now AND there there is not that much effort in trying to save energy when not all of the CPU/GPU power is used.
They do. Huge difference in power usage between an idling Geforce 6800 Ultra compared to running a 3d game:
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040504/ati-x800-09.html

AMD's Athlon 64's include cool'n'quiet these days which greatly reduces power usage with low cpu utilization.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

krinn wrote:

I'm also really sad to see how much people enjoy wineX (cedega), transgaming doesn't help Linux community, transgaming just help windows users playing with Linux (not using it).

Cedega is an emulator ! Now think about it: Why an editor will make a Linux box version of a game when he can just make a windows version and leave transgaming "patching" their emulator to make it works...

btw: maybe this post should be move to games (seems more related than multimedia now, my fault, can someone do that?)


krinn,
Really sorry to hear you say that but that kind of comment does nothing for the linux community IMHO, i've used cedega (formerly winex) since 2.0 release and it has allowed me to get what at the time was my one fix that i couldnt get in windows working (Everquest then, WoW beta now). I dont have windows boxen in the house and have been running linux as my exclusive desktop on all my machines for 2+ years, gf's computer, laptop, pvr, my two machines...oh wait my firewall is a lowly bsd box.

Without getting into a flamewar i've found it necessary and helpful to me to have cedega as an option, i dont expect everyone in the linux community to get behind it, and I think dialog on the subject is nice. However sweeping comments about the user base are unwarranted. I use *nix in my work in the past and currently, i've done TONS of advocacy and converted a couple of people full time to linux let alone all the partimers. If cedega helps make that possible so be it, its not for everyone.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:37 pm    Post subject: Does Nvidia 6800 work? Reply with quote

For some time I was wondering if X800 would work under linux and this thread answered my question. I've used Nvidia ever since I can remember on any OS and was recently considering saving up for one of these machines. So I guess I'll go for a 6800 built in. I'm told ATi has hardware AA and uses less power than Nvidia but if it doesn't work under linux then it is a big drawback. Nvidia wins again. Any comments on this purchase?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to speak more in this thread about my point of view on cedega, if you open one, i will be up for a discuss...

Nor i want discuss about purchasing material (how can you ask me that when i was so stupid that i have get an X800 ?)

This thread is only there because i feel really really bad about that card, ATI and Asus (french) didn't answer me yet (i'm not sure i should put "yet" there).

The card is small (as big as my Ti4200), i didn't upgrade my power supply to make it work (!), one slot is taken only and the cooler is quite (really). The fact the card isn't faster than a 6800 isn't the key: the key is that the card doesn't work at all...

The only good news is that my vendor is trying to contact Asus to get more info and has already offer me to retake the card (loosing some money, but still better than keeping a useless card.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because it was filed under Emulation does not mean it's an emulator. The basis for WINE is that it is an implementation of the Microsoft Windows API through Linux. An emulator creates a VirtualPC on top of your existing operating system to either fake or emulate itself.

WINE, in any flavour, does not do that. Many people call it an emulator, but the technical term for it is NOT an emulator. For example, VMWare is an emulator, as it makes a separate software-driven computer system on top of your operating system. WINE does not. It actually takes the program and processes it. Think of WINE as the GTK or QT libraries for Windows, and all WINE does is display the Windows API widgets. And all WineX/Cedega does it convert Direct3D calls to OpenGL in real-time. Which is why it's so slow for performance-hungry games.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whaoo finally got an answer from Asus france !

I'm posting it so anyone could juge it...

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From: "Service Technique Composant" <composant@asus.fr>
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Subject: RE: AX800 Pro Drivers Linux
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Bonjour

Voici le lien pour télécharger les pilotes.
http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html.

Asus France
Service Technique Composant
(Link: http://www.asus.fr)
http://www.asus.fr
Merci de laisser les différentes réponses faites par le service technique.


I will try my best to translate to it to english:
Quote:

Hi

This is the link to download drivers
http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html.

Asus France
Technical componant service
(Link: http://www.asus.fr)
http://www.asus.fr
Thank you to leave answers done by our technical service.


I have remail asus france with my point of view about this answer... will post any reply...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big surprise, a canned response from a very clueless employee.

You'd probably be better off pestering ATI although If I were them I'd ask you to grab the box and read out the requirements to me so I could ask you where you saw Linux on the box :)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You'd probably be better off pestering ATI although If I were them I'd ask you to grab the box and read out the requirements to me so I could ask you where you saw Linux on the box :)


:P nice remark about the spec, but see it yourself (from the www no system is given)
http://usa.asus.com/products/vga/ax800pro/overview.htm (note: click on overview for a funny bad link)

Now for the box, all you can see is a recommanded (not a minimal or exclusive system)

Here they are:
intel CPU or AMD CPU recommand
One available AGP slot
MS Windows 2000/XP
64mb system memory
CD-drom drive for installation

Linux isn't recommanded as system, but isn't exclude too... same for windows 9x, Me, OS/X...

What i expect from Asus is that they told me something like: "aie, our fault, we didn't know/say the card doesn't work on other systems" or "drivers will be ready at ..." or "We are sorry, we will try find a solution...". Anything, i'm open...
What i expect from ATI is that they burn in hell (as they don't even answer me).

Man, you might find me a little be hard with them, but may i remind you one thing? We are talking about a 500€ card !
So, am i too hard asking for a QUALITY SERVICE at that price ?
For Asus seems to me i have found the idiot one in their compagny (well, it's ok, all compagnies got this kind of man, just my luck i fall on him).

But for ATI, nothing can excuse them :evil:
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's pretty dumb if the box doesn't clearly tell you what operating systems it supports.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i honestly dont know what you guys are talking about the ati-drivers work great in linux
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, today I bought an ATI Radeon X800 Pro (couldn't wait for the Geforce 6800 Ultra :( )

The "emergable" ATI-Drivers won't work but then I went to the ATI-site and there I found some Linux-Drivers (3.11.1), which shall support the X800-chipset... I'll give them a try, perhaps they work (else the card goes back to the vendor and I'll wait a week for the 6800 Ultra)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can just hack the ebuild so it will install the new drivers posted on the ATI site.
Or maybe it is in portage already now? Did it like 2 weeks ago.

BTW, this is for everyone. There is a petition going on so ATI will create better Linux drivers.

Here is the link. Would be good if as many as possible could sign it so pass it to your friends who are ATI card owners as well.

http://www.petitiononline.com/atipet/petition.html
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