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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:56 am    Post subject: Considering Buying A Powerbook G4 Reply with quote

Are there any known problems with Gentoo and the Powerbook?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hum yah.. no drivers for airport extreme and ati 9700 for example..
-_-.. i wonder why there is no driver for it out
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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hum yah.. no drivers for airport extreme and ati 9700 for example..
-_-.. i wonder why there is no driver for it out


Those are really the only issues - I boot back and forth quite comfortably on my PB 15". Linux gaming is a little tough on these (no gfx card drivers OR game binaries ('cept Quake...)) but they're wonderful machines.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Those are really the only issues - I boot back and forth quite comfortably on my PB 15". Linux gaming is a little tough on these (no gfx card drivers OR game binaries ('cept Quake...)) but they're wonderful machines.


Errm, humm, sleep doesn't work either AFAIK, and THAT's annoying!

but, indeed, they are wonderful machines... (once I got through enough displays to get a working one...)

Have fun*

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard that some lady baked one in the oven and it still worked.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I too will be going for a PowerBook (12" Combo) - Is it worth the extra £100 for the superdrive? Is it really beneficial over just a combo drive? Is the 512 RAM upgrade enough, or should I get 768? On the RAM front, prices are very reasonable, straight from Apple (£70), which is not what I have heard from American buyers (I'm in the UK) - Is the warrenty OK? People have said the standard warrenty is rubbish, yet on the Apple site they say that they have been voted as having the best warrenty package for the fourth year running.... Is it worth the extra £200 for 3 year parts and tech support (AppleCare)?

Also, where is the power button on the 12" PB? Couldn't see it in any pics I have seen.

Another interesting point is, where in USD the PB is around $2000, exchange rate puts that at about £1100 - How come the Apple store puts it at about £1500??? Would it be cheaper to import one? Where from? What about the warrenty? Does it matter now it is in it's third revision? Wouldn't it be covered under the home and contents insurance (We have accidental damage cover)?

I know most of these are pinickity questions, but £1500 is a lot for a 16 year old student, desperatly needing a PPC (Portable PC).

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Ben2040:

I have the combo drive and I'm satisfied so far - I burn my DVDs on my desktop machine! But it depends on what you want! (is the difference between the two drives, that you can burn DVDs with the SuperDrive and only CDs with ComboDrive?)
I have upgraded from 256 to 512 MB RAM - more RAM is especially useful for MOL (Mac-On-Linux): You can start Mac OS X under Linux (it is called 'user-mode' I think - so, no VM). And you can configure MOL to 'give' Mac OS X x MB of RAM... so 768 MB of RAM would be great - but 512 are enough! Don't know anything about warranty... and I don't have Apple Care for my Powerbook or my iPod (both work great... so far ;-) )

The power button is on the right side integrated in the speakers (at least on my PB 15")

Can't tell you anything about your pricing questions - but I'm also a student and the powerbook was worth the money! So sexy... :-)

Christopher

PS: Look here (very interesting - especially the 'What works / what not' lists):
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=162622
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Thanks Chris - Yes, it certainly has a high "swish" rating. I asked about the power button, because on the 12", the speakers are behind the keyboard, and the keys go right up to the edge - any one else?

Good to know that there are PBs that are flawless!

I also have a burner in my desktop, so have decided against the superdrive - and I think I will use that money to go for 768Mb of RAM - MOL sounds intriguing!

I have read the install guide, and am not to worried about the airport, 3D or suspend issues, as I want to try and get into OS X anyways, Gentoo will be more of an experiment unil kinks like those are ironed out. Even if they don't work yet in Linux, it is still cool to have 54Mbs wireless and 1 second boot up! Also, is it worth it to get the Airport Extreme basestation - will cheaper WAPs do the job as well as the original - what about the ease of use when combining different makes/models/manufacturers?

Do you find OS X a worthy replacment/compliment to Linux, or do you use OS X/Gentoo 100%?


Thanks again,

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No prob, Ben.

Look at the "Take a closer look" link: there is a gallery showing all the powerbooks. There is also a picture of the 12" PB from above. You can see the power button on the right-top corner of the PB... ;-)

[nospam] http://www.apple.com/powerbook/index12.html [/nospam]

MOL is a great thing and I'm using it to test some of my software I program under Linux (gvim rules...): Mac OSX mounts the home-directory of my Linux via a tunnel network interface (this is so nerdy... :D ). The X server runs on virtual terminal 7 and Mac OS X runs on virtual terminal 8 (and in a window also on virtual terminal 7).

Another problem with Linux is that there is still noch "Airport Extreme" support - I will by a PCMCIA card the next few weeks to get WLAN up.

It is not easy to compare Mac OS X to Linux. Linux is my working horse: I do almost everything (mostly programing-related) under Linux and it is great. I love to adjust and tweak every setting. Mac OS X has a more 'sexy' user interface - but it is not very adjustable... thats what I like in Linux. But now the portage system of Gentoo is also available for Mac OS X, which is great - and therefore I will try to use it a bit more the next time. So let me conclude: I'm using Linux 90% percent and Mac OS X 10% of the time I spend before my powerbook.

There is also a lot of window manager and GUI software to make Linux appear a bit more like Mac OS X - some like this trend others do not. I really don't care because there a SO MUCH alternatives to use in Linux - so if I don't like it, I simply won't use it! I can choose what to use - in Mac OS I have to use whats there. But OS X is worth a look!

Bye


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Cool, I had seen those pages before, but not noticed the "Take a Closer Look" bit - DOH!

The 12" PB doesn't have any PCMCIA slots, so I will have to look around for a USB model, or just live with wireless on OSX.

Thanks for the advice

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought myself one of those 15" with SuperDrive and 1,5GHz G4.

It's sooo great. The best thing I could have done. Mac OS is great. It's even greater with portage on it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well about the tv-out.. it works in gentoo.. just config the X right..

so im still waiting for the 3d support "DRI", the wireless thing can be fixed by pcmcia card.. no shit.. hum i think i will get one.. ;)

hum,, 2004.2 version of PPC isnt out right ? ihope it will inlclude drivers hee
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@soujirou: TV-Out works with the ATI Radeon M10 chip??? This would be great! Please post you X config!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm the proud owner of a 12" 1Ghz Powerbook. They're great machines, but don't buy any extra memory from apple.

Apple memory is overpriced and very expensive. Instead, just buy the powerbook with the onboard 256 meg and buy a second chip from somewhere else. I reccommend crucial. Apple buys it''s ram chips from crucial and then applies the "Apple Tax" to them to overprice it. Buying the ram from curial yourself will save you a couple hundred $US and it's really easy to install. Just unscrew the ram-chip shape and size hatch on the bottom of your Powerbook, and pop it in. You may need to go to your local department store to buy one of those jeweler/eyeglass screw-drivers (about $3 US) because the screws are so tiny. Well worth it given the money saved.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have seen it my self... i will ask for my friends x config
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rajl wrote:
Apple memory is overpriced and very expensive. Instead, just buy the powerbook with the onboard 256 meg and buy a second chip from somewhere else. I reccommend crucial. Apple buys it''s ram chips from crucial and then applies the "Apple Tax" to them to overprice it. Buying the ram from curial yourself will save you a couple hundred $US and it's really easy to install. Just unscrew the ram-chip shape and size hatch on the bottom of your Powerbook, and pop it in. You may need to go to your local department store to buy one of those jeweler/eyeglass screw-drivers (about $3 US) because the screws are so tiny. Well worth it given the money saved


In the UK, you can upgrade to 768Mb for £140 - Is that really overpriced?

And I heard that you need special memory chips - slimline or something?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joshua wrote:
I bought myself one of those 15" with SuperDrive and 1,5GHz G4.

It's sooo great. The best thing I could have done. Mac OS is great. It's even greater with portage on it.


Blah i have had a bit of a problem ordering the powerbook 15" superdrive, this is no problem on the part of apple just my Bank :(

reguardless my order is placed and once the bs gets sorted out i will also be the proud owner of a 15" powerbook G4 i opted to go with the 128MB video solution.

Reguardless do you run gentoo on the powerbook?
How was the setup?
If you do run gentoo how does the videocard work in X, does ati have linux support with PPC?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@drewmanto: Look at https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=162622 . This will answer most of your questions!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been a real pain for me trying to get X working on my rev3 powerbook 12". It has an nvidia card and after searching for a long while i still can't find drivers.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brianm wrote:
It's been a real pain for me trying to get X working on my rev3 powerbook 12". It has an nvidia card and after searching for a long while i still can't find drivers.


It still works under 2D accel though, or none at all?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

actually, i was using xfree and after reading up about the config file for powerbooks the best i could get was a blank screen when i startx

then i unmerged xfree and tried to emerge xorg-x11 to see if that would make a difference but it wouldn't compile.
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