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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

killfire wrote:

also, your numbering is not going to work (/dev/hda1 is partition map, /dev/hda2 should be bootstrap, and /dev/hda3-6 or 7 are apple drivers, and then after that you can put your own partitions.)


you only need those appledrivers-partitions, IF you plan to use OS9 on that machine. I partitioned my AlBook using mac-fdisk from the LIveCD and got rid of those useless partitions, as well as the unnecessarily wasted space from the Apple Disk Utility. (got me 450MB back!)

Minimum for OS X: Hmm including Developer Tools you should spare up to 10GB (Dev-Tools including docs are about 3-4GB). And then, remember that every App for OS X may bring a whole bunch of libraries... There are Apps that easily use a few 100MB of diskspace (notably all those media/video/audio/DVD-authoring packages)

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think the syste requires about 2gigs...

but i would give it about 4, at a minimum


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I partitioned my iBooks 30Gb drive as follows:
Code:
guava root # mac-fdisk -l /dev/hda
/dev/hda
        #                    type name                 length   base     ( size )  system
dump: name /dev/hda len 8
/dev/hda1     Apple_partition_map Apple                    63 @ 1        ( 31.5k)  Partition map
/dev/hda2         Apple_Bootstrap bootstrap              1600 @ 64       (800.0k)  NewWorld bootblock
/dev/hda3         Apple_UNIX_SVR2 swap                1638400 @ 1664     (800.0M)  Linux swap
/dev/hda4         Apple_UNIX_SVR2 home               14745600 @ 1640064  (  7.0G)  Linux native
/dev/hda5         Apple_UNIX_SVR2 root               21269296 @ 16385664 ( 10.1G)  Linux native
/dev/hda6               Apple_HFS Mac OS X           20950152 @ 37654960 ( 10.0G)  HFS
/dev/hda7              Apple_Free                           8 @ 58605112 (  4.0k)  Free space

Block size=512, Number of Blocks=58605120
DeviceType=0x0, DeviceId=0x0

I /think/ that the general idea is to first 'reserve' the partition for Mac OS X by booting from the Jaguar cds and making 2 partitions, 1 for Mac OS X, and 1 for all the space you'll need for Gentoo. When you install gentoo, then you can just delete the one big partition, and make new partitions in the freed space for swap, /home, /,... You don't need to create a special /boot partition. Also, my /home partition is ext3, while my root-partition is ReiserFS (i never had any problems with ReiserFS, but some other people had, so just for safety i put my /home on ext3). (i don't know whether there are problems with XFS on ppc) The Apple_Bootstrap partition is a special kind of partition (you don't have to mount this partition, the install manual probably clarifies why you need this and how you create it).

I used a 10Gb partition for OS X (i run Jaguar), and currently around 4.5Gb of this is in use. During the install i didn't install any of the printer drivers (those are collections of printer drivers per brand and take up a lot of space), but i do have the full Developer's Tools installed (including documentation), and it also has all updates installed released for 10.2. I don't have any big applications installed, however. Depending on what you're planning to do with Mac OS X, i'd say to give it at least 6Gb (less if you don't install the developer's tools). I gave it 10Gb because i didn't have any idea about how much it'd need when i installed it for the first time, and also because 10Gb for gentoo and 7Gb for my data is enough for me. From the 10Gb for gentoo, about 5Gb is in use and that is on a complete working system (complete for me in any case).

I concur about the 3D acceleration, i also have a Radeon Mobility 7500 and the acceleration works. Contrary to what killfire said/experienced, in my case, the drivers are not compiled as modules and just work. (this is with Xfree though, as opposed to the now-preferred xorg)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

as a follow up, i had the drivers working perfectly on xfree, and then (brilliant as i am) i mke2fs'ed my root partition... oops

so when i started fresh, i went for xorg, and thats where i ran into,.... slight complications.


but the radeon works beautifullly. (contrary to what has become popular opinion about radeon)

@blubbfisch:

as the model of ibook (rev 2.2) is the last with os9 support, i thought it would be best in case i wanted to use it ever..... my mistake...

i dont know why your driver partitions are so HUGE!

in mac-fdisk, they use a couple megs for me.... and if you include some mess that i made when deciding between ufs and hfs+, i wasted another 20 megs....

not close to what happened to you... disk utility must have given you some crap! one more reason that everything should be CLI!!!!

in jaguar at least, the dev tools were about 1 gigs.. i cant believe that xcode could be that much bigger, and 6 gigs should be fine if you want that....

on my "bare" system (i have adobe ps and illustrater installed, a bunch of random apps, and i dont conserve space) i have 5 gigs, without dev-tools. i could probably slim that 2 gigs if i wanted, so 6 should be fine..


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

killfire wrote:

@blubbfisch:

as the model of ibook (rev 2.2) is the last with os9 support, i thought it would be best in case i wanted to use it ever..... my mistake...

i dont know why your driver partitions are so HUGE!

neither did I, so I first installed, partitioned, hugged my penguin :), using gentoo and then told the OSX-installer to use the remaining partition(s) (I share the swap partition between the two). Naturally I had to re-execute ybin afterwards, because OSX overwrote the boot-device variable.

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not close to what happened to you... disk utility must have given you some crap! one more reason that everything should be CLI!!!!

yeah, well, I re-partitioned a few times using Disk Utility, then tried to get
rid of the wasted space, and then capitulated and went back to Linux.

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in jaguar at least, the dev tools were about 1 gigs.. i cant believe that xcode could be that much bigger, and 6 gigs should be fine if you want that....
on my "bare" system (i have adobe ps and illustrater installed, a bunch of random apps, and i dont conserve space) i have 5 gigs, without dev-tools. i could probably slim that 2 gigs if i wanted, so 6 should be fine..

Well, my iDVD.app alone is a solid 1GB big... and FinalCut, etc aren't exactly small either. But, hey, that's why I said, _up_ to 10GB.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:23 pm    Post subject: Got one!!! Reply with quote

Hi all!!!

First, thank you ALL for the great input...really helped me on my research and purchase. I just got a G3 iBook, 800Mhz, 640M , 14", 30G hd with airport installed, original software (an I think some other software) all cables, etc. for right at $800.

I almost had a 900Mhz, 14",40G hd 320M or so for ram(no airport card) for a good price a couple times, but, then prices got ridiculous. I've seen what I've gotten go for a bit less...but, this price didn't seem TOO far above reasonable...

Anyway, just waiting now for it to arrive. I've been going over the Gentoo install guide for PPC, but, after reading it...and seeing comments in this list and thread. I'd like to start right off to bat with a dual boot system.

From comments here...going with 10G for OSX.

BUT, what is the best way to approach install for a dual boot on an iBook? Can you take an existing OSX install (Jaguar in my case), and just repartition with it on there....or do you start from scratch and wipe out the existing partitions and start from scratch?

If the latter...which do you install first...Linux or OSX? On the x86 boxes I've done, it was better to go with ms, then Linux...so as to not let ms screw up the MBR....is this the case with OSX too?

Is there a good howto around to use to work with for dual boot iBook installation to use in conjunction with the Gentoo install guide?

Again, MANY thanks for all the help!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

install osx first...

leave an empty partition at the begining (or end, im not sure it matters) that will hold all your gentoo stuff (swap, root, plus any others you want) .

then install osx, boot on the live cd, and delete the partition you reserved, and proceed from that....

if you want, you can check out zojas' guide...

its pretty good, on installing gentoo on a ibook g3 700mhz...

heres the url:
http://www.desertsol.com/~kevin/ppc/


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