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How often do you reinstall Gentoo?
Every couple 'o months
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Somewhere between 6 to 8 months
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Approximately yearly
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Once was enough for me
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:55 pm    Post subject: How often do you reinstall Gentoo? Reply with quote

Ok so just wondering how often people back-up their important stuff, write down the packages they liked, and wipe the drive clean to start fresh with a new Gentoo!

I find in my day to day dealings with the best distro around that I install bunches of stuff, with bunches of dependencies, that I just don't find altogether useful. I switch window managers quite often in search of the perfect environment and that leaves a lot of crud laying around a hard drive.

So, finally, when work dies down and I have a weekend, I undertake the always enjoyable process of recompiling a fresh loaf of Gentoo. I think this works out to about every six months to a year. Does anyone else do the same thing to scrape the unused ones and zeroes from their machines or are you all master portage users with a penchant for the -C option? Or do you just have a ton of hard drive space and don't care how much crap you emerge that you don't actually use?

Let's hear it.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adastra,

Thats a new new install, not a wipe and install. I've done about 10 since I joined the forums.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you wipe your harddrive? Just do your new install on a another disk or partition in a chroot environment with a stage1. That way you can write programs, surf, play games or do whatever you normally do while it's churning away in the background. Anyway, I only reinstall when I make major modifications or build a new system.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: How often do you reinstall Gentoo? Reply with quote

adastra wrote:
I switch window managers quite often in search of the perfect environment and that leaves a lot of crud laying around a hard drive.


First off, portage really shouldn't leave (much) cruft on your hard drive, and even when it does, there is a script to take care of it:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=152618

I've only had to install Gentoo once so far, but I still backup my partition (bzip to another harddrive) in the event something goes wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to switch between distributions alot, Not sure why...OCD? Anyway, my reason for switching is not related to the performance of the current distribution. Usually because some new release comes out, like slackware 10 for instance.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had the opportunity to install 3 systems: old desktop, firewall and a new AMD64 deskotp. Haven't had to reinstall yet.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've installed gentoo on 3 of my servers and have never had to reinstall it. I just do my best to manage my packages, and manually clean up when needed.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reinstalled only once about 2 years ago, when there was a switch between gcc 3.0 nad 3.1 and reinstall just seemed to be simpler than convert the system.
Otherwise no reinstall for me. That's one of the many things I love about Gentoo.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very often, something seems to come up that requires me to reinstall Gentoo. For example, I had a Gentoo only system before, but decided I wanted to install Windows to play Baldur's Gate 2. Of course, Windows only works when dual booting if it has the first partition, so I had to wipe the entire thing. Another reason I reinstalled once was to try AMD64 Gentoo.

I have only ever once wiped my entire HD though. The only time I was forced to delete my precious music/backup partition was when the partition order was all messed up and I couldn't fit anything on (long story). Luckily, I have most of my music on audio or mp3 cd.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still using my first and only gentoo install.
adastra wrote:
Or do you just have a ton of hard drive space and don't care how much crap you emerge that you don't actually use?

Yup, I'm like that. My / now uses 20 GB and there's 7 GB left.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only Gentoo reinstallation ever was on a beige G3 Macintosh desktop because the bloody IDE controller managed to kill the filesystem on the secondary disk before I had time to clone it to a SCSI drive. Other than that, I had to reinstall BeOS 5.0.3 and MacOS 9.1 once each, because I didn't know how to fix the mess I had created on the initial installation... :P If you want to count disk-wiping upgrades among the reinstallations, I did one of those on a Mandrake notebook once (8.1 to 8.2) and another one on an RS/6000 (moving from AIX 4.3.3 to 5.1). And that about sums it up for me, from 20 years of personal computing... Everything else has been rock solid once it was installed, and never required reinstallations, regardless of operating system or hardware.

To be honest, I don't know how people manage to fuck up their systems so badly that they need to reinstall, not even on Windows PCs. At the office we've divided people into two categories: The sane ones have got Windows 98 notebooks running since five years without so much as a slowdown in the boot process, while the others contaminate their systems by installing every spyware and MS worm in the book, and consequently have to reinstall every other month, undoubtedly as a punishment for their shoddy treatment of the machines. :roll:
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imek wrote:
For example, I had a Gentoo only system before, but decided I wanted to install Windows to play Baldur's Gate 2. Of course, Windows only works when dual booting if it has the first partition, so I had to wipe the entire thing.


Actually, I have WinXP at home on /dev/hdb8 ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I ran Gentoo I would reinstall biweekly for fun and testing on a seperate partition, keeping one partition in a working other.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still on my first and only install. Mind you, it's a different beast now compared to 2002, but it has never required a reinstall, only the odd emerge -e world when gcc upgraded. I've taken this system on my laptop from kernel 2.4.16 and pre-gnome2, to kernel 2.6.7 and gnome 2.6 without any major drama's.

In fact only last week have I bothered with a proper depclean which worked!

I frequently look around the system looking for stuff I don't need anymore, but there just isn't any really. The odd config file is about all. Mind you, I'm fairly religious about cleaning up after packages that I emerge just to look at then decide I don't want.

I think you guys aren't admitting the truth. Lets face it, you reinstall regularly because with gentoo, it's fun. Choosing the best combination of CFLAGS and USE flags and packages is like christmas shopping in a candy store. :D It's the perfect tweakers heaven.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still my original install going 14 months strong. In that same time, I've had to reinstall Windows at least 3 times (I keep it around for gaming).
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think my desktop is on its second. I'm not sure when I switched from Slackware to Gentoo, but I started with version 1.2.

EDIT: now I think the version I started on is correct


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imek wrote:
Windows only works when dual booting if it has the first partition


Grub has an option that can trick windows into thinking its on the first partition even if it isn't. I don't remember what the option is called as I haven't had to use it in years.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

screwloose wrote:
Imek wrote:
Windows only works when dual booting if it has the first partition


Grub has an option that can trick windows into thinking its on the first partition even if it isn't. I don't remember what the option is called as I haven't had to use it in years.

2000 and XP boot from logical partitions without any trickery.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reinstalled once in the year I've been using Gentoo. It was a couple weeks after I first started using it. Messed up using etc-update. Didn't feel like going through every file again and changing stuff back so I reinstalled.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've reinstalled once. The reason was that I totally repartitioned my hard drives and moved from gcc 2.95, kernel 2.4 to gcc 3.x, kernel 2.6 (that is, gentoo 1.3 to 1.4).

I'm pretty sure there was no way I could have repartitioned without reinstalling gentoo (without a lot of hassle), so I don't know if it counts.

I, too, install a lot of packages that I want to remove later, but 'emerge depclean; revdep-rebuild' works pretty well for my tastes (it got rid of Gnome for me, and that's no small chore).
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I do it every 2 to 3 months(I like to experiment) but I'm trying to change that. As much as I like Gentoo reinstalling that much is starting to wear thin after 2 years so I'm trying a backup routine using tar.gz and rsync to keep from doing it that often
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My main box has only had to have one reinstall in aprox 1.5 years. This is awsome compared to anything else I've installed. Windows was the worst. I'd routinly backup, wipe and ghost disk that crap about every month. It seems to crush itself with its own weight.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously, what do you do to that thing? 8O I mean, what stick do you have to use to club your operating system into rigor mortis within just a few weeks? And I don't care if it's Windows or BS2000, this is just totally incomprehensible to me.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jake wrote:
screwloose wrote:
Imek wrote:
Windows only works when dual booting if it has the first partition


Grub has an option that can trick windows into thinking its on the first partition even if it isn't. I don't remember what the option is called as I haven't had to use it in years.

2000 and XP boot from logical partitions without any trickery.


I've installed 95 and 98 on other partitions too using Lilo with no problems.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is my second gentoo installation, i deleted the first because i was tired of loooong compile times ;)
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