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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:56 pm    Post subject: Can I get rid of OS 9? [ABANDONED] Reply with quote

I have an old PowerBook G3 300 Mhz (it does NOT have a bronze keyboard, so I THINK it is the Wallstreet version). Can I install Gentoo on this machine and overwrite OS 9, or do I need to keep OS 9 to use a bootloader?

If I have to use a bootloader, is there some way to non-destructively resize my OS 9 partition so it doesn't use the whole disk?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if it is the wallstreet, you basically have to use bootx, and keep an os9 partition. a bootloader called quik exists to boot old world machines without, but you need to have installed the system via bootx before you can install it, and its unmaintained and doesn't compile with gcc >2.95.

There is probably a commercial partition resizing tool for os9 somewhere in existence, but I've never found one, so likewise, you're probably wiping it and reinstalling os9 on a small partion with apple disk utils.

Sorry to be the bearer of largely bad news....
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lostdave wrote:
if it is the wallstreet, you basically have to use bootx, and keep an os9 partition. a bootloader called quik exists to boot old world machines without, but you need to have installed the system via bootx before you can install it, and its unmaintained and doesn't compile with gcc >2.95.

There is probably a commercial partition resizing tool for os9 somewhere in existence, but I've never found one, so likewise, you're probably wiping it and reinstalling os9 on a small partion with apple disk utils.

Sorry to be the bearer of largely bad news....


Not quite true tho. One can install via a very small (around 50 MB) boot partition and miboot. Miboot is basically a System mock folder that pretends to boot OS 9 but actually boots into Linux. Here is a good explanation:
http://portal.suse.de/sdb/en/2000/06/olh_ppc_miboot.html
And here are the necessary files:
http://penguinppc.org/~benh/
The last versions are at the bottom of the page - they're part of BootX. Be aware: you have to use a _real_ Finder (from a OS 9 boot CD), not the dummy that's included with the files!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah well... I was trying to avoid a re-install of OS 9. I cannot find my OS 9 CD right now (we're moving), but I still wanted to play with Linux on this machine. I guess I'll wait untill I find my CD.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

c45207 wrote:
Ah well... I was trying to avoid a re-install of OS 9. I cannot find my OS 9 CD right now (we're moving), but I still wanted to play with Linux on this machine. I guess I'll wait untill I find my CD.


You don't have to reinstall OS 9. What you have to do is this:
- boot off the OS 9.x CD
- copy the miboot files _and_ the original finder onto the partition
- also copy BootX onto the partition
- boot off BootX for the 1st time
- install Linux
- boot off OS 9 CD
- change the miboot files so that you can boot
It's a bit complicated but once Linux is installed it works like a charme. You can even use the small HFS partition (it _has_ to be HFS, niot HFS+!) as /boot and mount it accordingly in your fstab.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually keep a small MacOS install around on PPC just for MOL. It's nice to fire up photoshop whenever you needs, and just having an OS9 install incase of firmware updates or hardware troubleshooting.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mox2k wrote:

- boot off the OS 9.x CD
- copy the miboot files _and_ the original finder onto the partition
- also copy BootX onto the partition
- boot off BootX for the 1st time
- install Linux
- boot off OS 9 CD
- change the miboot files so that you can boot
It's a bit complicated but once Linux is installed it works like a charme. You can even use the small HFS partition (it _has_ to be HFS, niot HFS+!) as /boot and mount it accordingly in your fstab.

Can this be done without an OS 9 CD? I can't find it. I do have OS 9 working, but it takes up the whole hard drive.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The poor laptop died, so I abandoned this project.
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