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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:02 pm    Post subject: G3 on LiveCD? Reply with quote

Newbie with question

I have a Biege G3 Old World mini tower and I want to see if I can install Gentoo on it. Here is what the doc says
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In the next step you need to copy the G3 kernel and the initrd.img.gz from the LiveCD into the Linux Kernels directory.

I've downloaded both the Minimal (install-ppc-minmal-2004.1.iso) and the Universal (install-ppc-universal-2004.1.iso) disk images. I can't find a G3 kernel.
Here is what is in the boot folder
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ofboot.b
initrd.img.gz
map.hfs
boot.msg
G4
yaboot
G4-SMP
G5-SMP
pegasos
yaboot.conf
G5


Where should I be looking?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure that the docs line up right with the CDs, there may be discrepency, not sure. try an older cd?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

porodzila wrote:
I'm not sure that the docs line up right with the CDs, there may be discrepency, not sure. try an older cd?

Hmm... Wise suggestion. Found a G3 distro on another mirror. I'll download it when things calm down this evening.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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porodzila wrote:
I'm not sure that the docs line up right with the CDs, there may be discrepency, not sure. try an older cd?
Hmm... Wise suggestion. Found a G3 distro on another mirror. I'll download it when things calm down this evening.

Downloaded 2004.0, this also has no G3 in the boot folder. There was 2004.0/livecd/g3 folder but this contained packages-g3-2004.0.iso which looks to only contain prebuilt packages.

I could continue to trawl the mirrors and download in releases in descending order until I found a g3 kernel (I had to hunt a little to find 2004.0). This looks like too much work for someone who is just trying to dip his toe in the figurative water.

Can someone can tell me when the G3 was dropped and what release I am looking for or is there another way of installing gentoo?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are a few howtos on these forums for installation on oldworld macs.

despite their help, i spent a long time trying to start the gentoo installation with my oldworld the normal way, but eventually gave up. the way i did it was to install a different quick and easy distro (yellowdog in my case) and use it to do the gentoo installation. booting into any linux kernel is as good as booting into the live cd.

it wastes space, but after the gentoo installation, you could wipe the partition that yellowdog was on to get the space back. i left mine on in case i ever completely screw up my gentoo and need to boot into something else to try to fix the problem.

of course, one shouldn't have to do this, but geez, i spent hours, if not a day or two, trying to figure out how to boot into the gentoo live cd. once i realized that i just need a linux environment to do the installation, i had yellowdog installed and was starting the gentoo installation in less than an hour. you'd have to get an older version of yellowdog. the recent releases don't support oldworlds.

but anyway, people have been able to boot oldworld macs with gentoo's live cd's and there are detailed instructions in these forums, so i would try that first.

it's funny how these distros brag about how linux is so good for old machines, yet half the distros that support ppcs explicitly state that they don't support oldworld macs.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for responding. I am just dipping my toe in the water and looked at gentoo because is has portage which is similar to bsd but without the complicated (I thought) installation procedure. I'll take a look at yellow dog.

I find myself wondering what benefit, other that ideology, there is for looking at linux?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently the G4 kernel should work on G3s as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FredD wrote:
I find myself wondering what benefit, other that ideology, there is for looking at linux?

Fred D


You mean ideology isn't enough for ya? What kind of a snob are you? :wink:
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