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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:03 pm    Post subject: Should I just go ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~ppc?? Reply with quote

It just seems like everything for PPC is masked. Has anyone made the big switch? And if so how many problems do you have?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, a lot of stuff for ppc is masked. It usually works, but not always, usually just a a couple of weird bugs.

just do:
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~ppc" emerge x
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am myself on ppc, with the exception of some packages that I manually set to be ~ppc (~x86 for one too!) in /etc/portage/package.keywords (I have gathered over time about 100 packages thus set). I personally believe that this is better than going all ~ppc, but of course this is a matter of personal preference.

Never ever do ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~ppc" emerge whatever, the right way to do it is to use /etc/portage/package.keywords.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there are packages that you feel should be marked stable, post them here and I'll take care of it. Or, see this bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66267

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is wrong with my way, that is the way I read to do it in Gentoo's own documentation.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, this is a sure way to trash your installation, for indeed once you use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on the command line you can no longer emerge -u (since this will insist in downgrading packages), so you must emerge -U. We all know how evil this is, but on the bright side if your system breaks you get to keep the pieces.

In any case, other people said it better than me so I am not going to repeat it all. There was also a plea on the mailng lists a short while ago for using package.keywords as opposed to any other method.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, what documentation do you refer to? I just took a second look at the Gentoo handbook and package.keywords is as far as I see the only recommended way of doing this kind of things.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont remember where I saw it.

can't you just

ACCPET_KEYWORDS yadda emere -u ?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, and I'm not fscked because I don't usually update too many things, unless I need to.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Accept_keywords on the command line is a very very BAD idea. I broke my system a while back using that. I was using the /etc/portage/package.keywords method but the list was getting out of hand. I have like 107 files in there. So I decided to go ~ppc for everything. So far so good. Tar is having a problem compiling but I just found a patch to fix it. So I'll post up what works and what doesn't. Maybe this can help the unmasking of PPC packages. 8)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't see what the big deal is wit h ACCEPT_KEYWORDS on the command line.
I've been using it a long time and nothing has broken or caused me a problem.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using ACCEPT_KEYWORDS is just a bad idea. As an example, let's say that you've used ACCEPT_KEYWORDS to emerge a package, then after you've forgotten about it, you run emerge world -Dup. The package will downgrade.

Now, I know you're going to suggest --upgrade-only (-U), but this also is a problem waiting to happen. Lets say that a package that you've installed with ACCEPT_KEYWORDS has a terrible flaw that could potentially destroy all of your data, so we've dropped the pacakge. Using upgrade only will leave you vulnerable because it can't force the downgrade. Not safe.

One last thing. By using package.keywords, you can automatically get the latest revisions of the software you've installed by putting ~ in front of the package version. This helps to ensure that you have the latest version with all of our fixes.

Please use /etc/portage/package.keywords. It's easier for you and it's better for us. If you insist on installing with ACCEPT_KEYWORDS, please at least put the package in /etc/portage/package.keywords after you've tested the package and you know you want to keep that version on your system.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I just go ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~ppc?? Reply with quote

Hydraulix wrote:
It just seems like everything for PPC is masked. Has anyone made the big switch? And if so how many problems do you have?


Hi,

I'm on ~ppc and ~x86 without major problems.

It also happens sometimes that packages are marked ppc and they don't work (ex: ghostscript, a few months ago) :) And sometimes they are marked with ~ppc and they don't compile (ex: libfame, few weeks ago) :) It's Gentoo, you need to live with that. :)

NB: The only package I had to downgrade to stable is pbbuttonsd after the Xorg upgrade.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iTux, have you tried re-emerging pbbuttonsd? Pylon recently added a patch for .6.5 that should stop pbbuttonsd from dying. Please try it and let me know if it works.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, I'm going to continue doing it my way.

I dont use emerge -u or anything, because if I want to update something I update that peice only. I dont have that many packages installed anyway, mabe a couple dozen.

also, I dont see what the difference is when it comes to a package having a flaw, because if it does have a flaw, it will be flawed either way you do
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoseJX wrote:
iTux, have you tried re-emerging pbbuttonsd? Pylon recently added a patch for .6.5 that should stop pbbuttonsd from dying. Please try it and let me know if it works.


JoseJX, I re-emerged 0.6.5 and it works now.

Thanks for the info,
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Should I just go ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~ppc?? Reply with quote

iTux wrote:
Hydraulix wrote:
It just seems like everything for PPC is masked. Has anyone made the big switch? And if so how many problems do you have?


Hi,

I'm on ~ppc and ~x86 without major problems.

It also happens sometimes that packages are marked ppc and they don't work (ex: ghostscript, a few months ago) :) And sometimes they are marked with ~ppc and they don't compile (ex: libfame, few weeks ago) :) It's Gentoo, you need to live with that. :)

NB: The only package I had to downgrade to stable is pbbuttonsd after the Xorg upgrade.

iTux





Cool. Yeah I just finally switched to ~ppc without that many problems. Now all I'm worried about it everytime I upgrade something is going to break. 8O
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

porodzila wrote:
well, I'm going to continue doing it my way.

I dont use emerge -u or anything, because if I want to update something I update that peice only. I dont have that many packages installed anyway, mabe a couple dozen.

also, I dont see what the difference is when it comes to a package having a flaw, because if it does have a flaw, it will be flawed either way you do



Here's the link that was mentioned before.

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=1060314#1060314
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bruda wrote:
By the way, what documentation do you refer to? I just took a second look at the Gentoo handbook and package.keywords is as far as I see the only recommended way of doing this kind of things.


I knew I had seen this somwhere just recently, check the sticky thread, https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=11654
Gerk wrote:
1) you can install any pkg file by directly calling the ebuild file, regardless of KEYWORDS. i.e. emerge /usr/portage/app-editors/joe/joe-2.9.5.ebuild would install that pkg even if there is no ppc keyword set.


I beleve this was in the handbook until just recently, but I am glad to know about the packages.keyword anyway, I think I like that solution better as portage now yells at you if you try to do a pathed emerge.
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