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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:22 am    Post subject: 1st time on Mac (green noob) Reply with quote

Hi all,

A PowerMac 7200/120 as been given to me. It has a 500MB drive with OS 9.0.

Of course, I want to install Linux in there, but I don't have the OS 9 CD to reinstall it in MacOnLinux.

So, I'm wondering these:

1- Is there a software management panel in OS 9 that would show me what softwares are installed and how to remove them? For example, there is Netscape, IE, MS Office, MSN Messenger and probably a whole bunch of crap I don't know about. How to find them? How to remove them?

2- Is Gentoo installable on this machine? Id the drive big enough? Can a second bigger disk be inserted? Can I import a NFS forlder to increase space?

3- What would be the method you would suggest to clean the current OS 9 setup, back it up, overwrite with a Gentoo install, get MOL in there and restore OS 9?

Many thanks in advance.

PS. I have very limited experience with Macs
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:54 am    Post subject: #1 and #3 Recommendations Reply with quote

#1. There are profilers to do this but I wouldn't bother with them. See #3 for the reason.

#3. Back up your personal files any way you like (floppies, CDROMS, file servers) and then NUKE EVERYTHING ELSE. Always reinstall fresh OS's and applications. Rebuild preferences from within your applications. The reason for this is that shortcuts always come back to bite you in the @ss and you'll realize you'd have saved time by not taking shortcuts in the first place.

I can't help you with #2 because I haven't been able to install Gentoo on my Mac.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Unfortunately, no. A lot of programs will be fully uninstalled if you delete the application folder, but the MS ones tend to drop a bunch of files in your System Folder as well.

2. Gentoo is installable, but it would be very tight on a 500 MB drive. Even more so with MOL and OS 9 installed as well. I'd be worried about running out of swap. (You didn't say how much RAM you have, I'd guess less than 64 meg in a 7200?)

I *think* the hard drive in the 7200 is standard IDE, and so should be easily upgradeable. NFS should work fine.

3. On old world machines you actually need Mac OS to be there for the bootloader to work (assuming you use BootX rather than quik.)

You might try: replace the CD-ROM with a decent-size hard drive, make a partition for OS 9 on the new disk, copy the contents of the old disk over to the new partition, remove the old hard drive and put the CD-ROM back in, install Gentoo on the rest of the new disk.

Caution: I have never installed Linux on an OldWorld machine. Caveat lector. :wink:
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: 1st time on Mac (green noob) Reply with quote

tecknojunky wrote:
A PowerMac 7200/120 as been given to me. It has a 500MB drive with OS 9.0. Of course, I want to install Linux in there, but I don't have the OS 9 CD to reinstall it in MacOnLinux.


I have the same machine, which I use as a sound server connected to my stereo. I have an exclussive Linux installation of this (save for a bootloading, minimal Mac OS), I am not sure whether you want this or you want to keep the Mac OS on it too. I am guessing that you want to stick to Linux since two OSes in 500 megs is really tight.

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1- Is there a software management panel in OS 9 that would show me what softwares are installed and how to remove them? For example, there is Netscape, IE, MS Office, MSN Messenger and probably a whole bunch of crap I don't know about. How to find them? How to remove them?


Back things up on a CD-ROM and start deleting files. Deleting civilized applications should be straightforward (as in deleting the installation folder). Microsoft applications place a whole bunch of crap in the system folder, in reality most of IE for example goes in there. I succeeded once (many years ago) to delete all of it without thrashing my system.

If you only want to run Linux, I advise to get rid of the Mac OS altogether and install something very light. I use Mac OS 7.5.5 which fits in 32 megs quite confortably (boot kernels included). Mac OS is available for download for free (as in beer), google for it and ye shall find.

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2- Is Gentoo installable on this machine? Id the drive big enough? Can a second bigger disk be inserted? Can I import a NFS forlder to increase space?


Gentoo is installable, but barely to the border of impossible. Expect an excruciatingly slow install. If you want MOL and OS 9 and Gentoo, I would say that the drive is definitely too small. I have a 1G drive in the machine with 32M Mac OS, 150M swap, and the rest Linux. I am down to 306M free space, and this without X (I run the machie headless anyway). Doing all of it on a 500M disk is as far as I can think of impossible.

I did not have any reason to try it, but I see no reason why you cannot put parts of your installation on a remote NFS volume either. You should be still tight in terms of space, but you have now a feasible project on your hands.

The hard drives in a 7200 are stock 3.5" 50-pin SCSI drives. There is one disk installed and an expansion bay for a second. You may want to consider getting a smallish (but not as small as yours ;-) ) drive to either replace the original or for a second drive. A 2G disk sells right now on eBay for something like CAD20, whilst CAD50 buys you a really decent drive.

Hope this helps,
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