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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks very much for this tutorial- it's great; I'm in the middle of installing right now!

Quick question. From reading other threads in these forums on upgrading from gcc 3.3.4 to 3.3.5, it seems some packages would not compile without first running the script:

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fix_libtool_files.sh 3.3.4


Any role for a simmilar command here when we switch to gcc 3.4.3 as default compiler? Sorry if the answer is obvious, but I have not been able to figure it out. I also wasn't sure if this was the wrong thread to post in, I can re-post if necessary.

i'm kinda surprised by the question, but no, we're not doing the upgrade that your suggested bugfix applies to -- we're leapfrogging over it -- so you shouldn't run into any problems like that. :wink:
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, thanks. I did not realize that that script was so specific a bug fix, applying to just one version of the compiler.

Thanks a lot for the tutorial. I'm still compiling, and looking forward to my new system!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried to emerge gentoo-dev-sources and I got this error.

Calculating dependencies ...done!
>>> emerge (1 of 133) media-libs/svgalib-1.9.19-r1 to /
>>> md5 src_uri ;-) svgalib-1.9.19.tar.gz

!!! ERROR: media-libs/svgalib-1.9.19-r1 failed.
!!! Function kernel-mod_configoption_builtin, Line 114, Exitcode 1
!!! kernel has not been configured yet

Any clue what might have caused this?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've never seen anyone have 133 dependencies trying to emerge gentoo-dev-sources. 8O it doesn't look like you followed this tutorial, or if you have, it looks like you've deviated from it along the way. :oops:

since this isn't a support forum, please ask this question in the appropriate support forum. thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonderful installation guide, only a few things left floating about to nail it dead on. I'm emerging my x server on my first install and installing another box of my buddy's.

On the note of issues with the guide and direct problems to getting a working system, specifically necessary major components and not per user issues, I have a couple notes to make on the documentation.

In section 9.9 we unmount our filesystem to reboot, however /mnt/gentoo/dev was not mounted.

Also on the note of getting booted into a system running the proposed setup, which is the idea of the guide, one might not get udev to load anything. Apparently from what I've gathered and what seems to work for many others with this issue across the forums, is the emerging of the baselayout which we don't emerge in the guide. After that, udev goes about it's business perfectly and we have a nice new stable environment.

Just thought to address these two issues in the hopes to help get this guide as perfect as possible, which it is quite to being. This is my first attempt at gentoo and have only used RH9 before with many package problems. I'm loving it so far, and the support on the forums is the best I've ever seen. Thanks for spending the time on making this guide, even a damn near total idiot to linux like me has been able to use it to provide a wonderful environment using an easy install. :wink:
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doom0r wrote:
Also on the note of getting booted into a system running the proposed setup, which is the idea of the guide, one might not get udev to load anything. Apparently from what I've gathered and what seems to work for many others with this issue across the forums, is the emerging of the baselayout which we don't emerge in the guide. After that, udev goes about it's business perfectly and we have a nice new stable environment.

thanks for your note about the typo in section 9.9. that was a cut and paste error on my part. :oops:

we've had lots of installs using this method and no reported udev failures, so i'm not so sure that there is anything to worry about.

regarding the baselayout -- you don't have to emerge it -- its extracted from the Stage 3 tarball! :!: you even recompile it when performing the emerge -e system. a quick grep of /var/log/emerge.log will confirm this.

thanks for the feedback. :wink:
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the onus is solely on you to make a topic in the Installation Gentoo forums (or another forum you would deem appropriate for this), expressly for testers of your installation method to voice their requests for help.

The reason for this is that there are people who install their systems using tutorials from Documentation, Tips and Tricks (like this one) to install their systems, and then run into trouble with their install, then do as you have suggested here - post their questions to Installing Gentoo.

But the people who frequently answer posts in Installing Gentoo may have no idea which exact D, T & C tutorial the person in trouble followed, especially since the relevant link is often the last thing they bother to include in their help request.

Therefore, creating a topic in a relevant support forum just for support questions related to the installation method you're proposing, complete with a link to this installation tutorial, would be a great help


I'am using your tut. I'm on part 8.1 of the tut. I had used the stable
branch earlier and it worked. Athough that shouldn't be a suprise. Now
I'm using the testing branch (~x86) and ran into this problem. That's why
I am using this forum, because there is nowhere else to turn with people
who know what I am going through. Now back to the problem at hand.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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kimchi_sg said
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I think the onus is solely on you to make a topic in the Installation Gentoo forums (or another forum you would deem appropriate for this), expressly for testers of your installation method to voice their requests for help.

The reason for this is that there are people who install their systems using tutorials from Documentation, Tips and Tricks (like this one) to install their systems, and then run into trouble with their install, then do as you have suggested here - post their questions to Installing Gentoo.

But the people who frequently answer posts in Installing Gentoo may have no idea which exact D, T & C tutorial the person in trouble followed, especially since the relevant link is often the last thing they bother to include in their help request.

Therefore, creating a topic in a relevant support forum just for support questions related to the installation method you're proposing, complete with a link to this installation tutorial, would be a great help


I'am using your tut. I'm on part 8.1 of the tut. I had used the stable
branch earlier and it worked. Athough that shouldn't be a suprise. Now
I'm using the testing branch (~x86) and ran into this problem. That's why
I am using this forum, because there is nowhere else to turn with people
who know what I am going through. Now back to the problem at hand.


That's a good joke! :lol: If kimchee_sg were my employer, I might actually have to do what you quoted him as having said. But since he's not, if you want my help then your only hope is to take a not so subtle hint and post in one of the support forums. Your problem is caused by an operator error and is not related to a problem in the guide. It belongs in one of the support forums.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Posted an updated automatic emerge wrapper for emerge updates since portage will build vour toolchain updates ass backwards . An emerge wrapper for correctly building the toolchain
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OH YES!!!

heil, i've been meaning to post in response to that script that you posted earlier, but i've been so busy that i haven had a chance. i think that the script that you posted before was a fantastic idea. essentially, it follows the same steps that i go through when i manually perform a system update. needless to say, i'm happy as a clam that you've decided to pursue this! the automated wrapper looks fantastic. great work!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rjw8703 wrote:
I'am using your tut. I'm on part 8.1 of the tut. I had used the stable branch earlier and it worked. Athough that shouldn't be a suprise. Now I'm using the testing branch (~x86) and ran into this problem. That's why I am using this forum.

I was saying that as a strong suggestion, although Bob P does have a right not to do so.

The point is, if you have installation-related problem, do the following steps in order:
  1. Search for similar requests for help in Installing Gentoo forum.
  2. If and only if there are no similar requests, post a new topic detaling your problem.
Do not assert so confidently that
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there is nowhere else to turn with people who know what I am going through.
A lot of developers and experienced users prowl the Installing Gentoo forum too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well when I first posteda certain minor errors like not being able to update without updateing the toolchain,TC, was left out :lol: The 1.8.5 version fixed that. Its to hard to post and watch Troy. Later
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent tutorial.



However, I noticed that you have 'rc-update add ntp-client default' twice.

First in '7.3.2 Updating the Environment' and then again in '7.3.3 Configuring the NTP Client '.

Note: 'rc-update add ntp-client default' doesn't appear in the one liner from '7.3.2 Updating the Environment' .
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rstrom wrote:
Excellent tutorial.



However, I noticed that you have 'rc-update add ntp-client default' twice.

First in '7.3.2 Updating the Environment' and then again in '7.3.3 Configuring the NTP Client '.

Note: 'rc-update add ntp-client default' doesn't appear in the one liner from '7.3.2 Updating the Environment' .

thanks for the heads-up. the rc-update line should not be present in the first part of section 7.3.2. everything else is correct.

this error has now been corrected in the forum version of the guide. it was not present in the PDF version.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finished installing... Works 100%. Yeah. 8)

Thanks for the tutorial, it's a great asset for our community!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey,
great idea, love it!

one question though, please

anyone checked that libc.so.6 was definately compiled with NPTL?

Code:
$ /lib/libc.so.6
GNU C Library 20041102 release version 2.3.4, by Roland McGrath et al.
Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Compiled by GNU CC version 3.4.3 20041125 (Gentoo Linux 3.4.3-r1, ssp-3.4.3-0, pie-8.7.7).
Compiled on a Linux 2.6.8 system on 2005-01-22.
Available extensions:
        GNU libio by Per Bothner
        crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others
        linuxthreads-0.10 by Xavier Leroy
        The C stubs add-on version 2.1.2.
        GNU Libidn by Simon Josefsson
        BIND-8.2.3-T5B
        libthread_db work sponsored by Alpha Processor Inc
        NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk
Thread-local storage support included.
For bug reporting instructions, please see:
<http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/bugs.html>.


On my system (just followed this install method) I do NOT have nptl, but linuxthreads-0.10 (even though I have the "nptl" flag, and linux26-headers).

What do you guys have?

I think this was why the nptlonly flag was brought out.

Is there a way to switch to native posix? or does the system need re-compiling from scratch?

How should one go about rectifying this?

This is from my laptop, with nptl and gcc 3.4.3, build differently from stage 1

Code:
chris@josiah ~ $ /lib/libc.so.6
GNU C Library 20041102 release version 2.3.4, by Roland McGrath et al.
Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Compiled by GNU CC version 3.4.3  (Gentoo Linux 3.4.3, ssp-3.4.3-0, pie-8.7.6.6).
Compiled on a Linux 2.6.8 system on 2004-12-13.
Available extensions:
        GNU libio by Per Bothner
        crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others
        Native POSIX Threads Library by Ulrich Drepper et al
        The C stubs add-on version 2.1.2.
        GNU Libidn by Simon Josefsson
        BIND-8.2.3-T5B
        NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk
Thread-local storage support included.
For bug reporting instructions, please see:
<http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/bugs.html>.


Cheers!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

taskara wrote:
hey,
great idea, love it!

one question though, please

anyone checked that libc.so.6 was definately compiled with NPTL?

Code:
$ /lib/libc.so.6
GNU C Library 20041102 release version 2.3.4, by Roland McGrath et al.
Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Compiled by GNU CC version 3.4.3 20041125 (Gentoo Linux 3.4.3-r1, ssp-3.4.3-0, pie-8.7.7).
Compiled on a Linux 2.6.8 system on 2005-01-22.
Available extensions:
        GNU libio by Per Bothner
        crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others
        linuxthreads-0.10 by Xavier Leroy
        The C stubs add-on version 2.1.2.
        GNU Libidn by Simon Josefsson
        BIND-8.2.3-T5B
        libthread_db work sponsored by Alpha Processor Inc
        NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk
Thread-local storage support included.
For bug reporting instructions, please see:
<http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/bugs.html>.


On my system (just followed this install method) I do NOT have nptl, but linuxthreads-0.10 (even though I have the "nptl" flag, and linux26-headers).

What do you guys have?

I think this was why the nptlonly flag was brought out.

Is there a way to switch to native posix? or does the system need re-compiling from scratch?

How should one go about rectifying this?

This is from my laptop, with nptl and gcc 3.4.3, build differently from stage 1

Code:
chris@josiah ~ $ /lib/libc.so.6
GNU C Library 20041102 release version 2.3.4, by Roland McGrath et al.
Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Compiled by GNU CC version 3.4.3  (Gentoo Linux 3.4.3, ssp-3.4.3-0, pie-8.7.6.6).
Compiled on a Linux 2.6.8 system on 2004-12-13.
Available extensions:
        GNU libio by Per Bothner
        crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others
        Native POSIX Threads Library by Ulrich Drepper et al
        The C stubs add-on version 2.1.2.
        GNU Libidn by Simon Josefsson
        BIND-8.2.3-T5B
        NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk
Thread-local storage support included.
For bug reporting instructions, please see:
<http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/bugs.html>.


Cheers!

yes, I have the same result. But when you run this, you will have this:
Quote:
p3 root # /lib/tls/libc.so.6
GNU C Library 20041102 release version 2.3.4, by Roland McGrath et al.
Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
Compiled by GNU CC version 3.4.3 20041125 (Gentoo Linux 3.4.3-r1, ssp-3.4.3-0, pie-8.7.7).
Compiled on a Linux 2.6.8 system on 2005-01-15.
Available extensions:
GNU libio by Per Bothner
crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others
Native POSIX Threads Library by Ulrich Drepper et al
The C stubs add-on version 2.1.2.
GNU Libidn by Simon Josefsson
BIND-8.2.3-T5B
NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk
Thread-local storage support included.
For bug reporting instructions, please see:
<http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/bugs.html>.


BTW, I have trouble to compile gnome and kde. when compiling fam, it will fails compiling with error. Does anyone have ideas about this? thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a huh!

so it somehow is set to use linux threads, but can switch to use posix?

or does the library under /lib/tls override that under /lib ?

ta

p.s you might need to post the kde / gnome emerge error, but I don't think they wanna use this as a support thread..?

wait.. I did have a fam error a few months back.. have u tried later / earlier versions? I can't remember what i did to fix it.. I think I switched to an older version of somethiing, then emerged fam, then switched back.. now what was it?... *thinking*
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I followed this thread and the whole nptl-thing, which really seems to make a difference.

At the moment I'm reading this: http://people.redhat.com/drepper/nptl-design.pdf to understand, what it really is.

Anyway. Bob, your tutorial seems to be an installation howto. My question is: can I use nptl on an already installed system without destroying it? I'd probably have to recompile everything, because nptl is a Flag used by the gcc, right?

Can you give me more info or point me to another tutorial on applying nptl to a running gentoo installation?

All the Best,

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob, Excellent guide, thanks.

There is one important thing you should add: KEYMAP setting. :-)

/etc/rc.conf should be edited with the correct KEYMAP setting before rebooting otherwise you end up with a keyboard that may be disfunctional.

At the same time I'd also suggest setting the LANG environment variable.

Otherwise the installation went flawlessly.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goliath wrote:
Can you give me more info or point me to another tutorial on applying nptl to a running gentoo installation?

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Migrate_to_NPTL

Make sure gentoo-wiki.com is in your bookmarks if you are a true blue Gentoo user. :-D
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taskara wrote:

p.s you might need to post the kde / gnome emerge error, but I don't think they wanna use this as a support thread..?

wait.. I did have a fam error a few months back.. have u tried later / earlier versions? I can't remember what i did to fix it.. I think I switched to an older version of somethiing, then emerged fam, then switched back.. now what was it?... *thinking*

thanks reminding. But you know the problems come with this method, different with regular one, so I just ask wheather you also have such a trouble, I will post my question on the support part.
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What about CFLAGS setting for AMD K6-2 (500MHz) which is an i586 processor?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in the spirit of keeping the focus of this Guide limited to the Stage 1 on 3 installation method, i'm specifically avoiding the idea of fattening up this Guide in order to turn it into a replacement for the Gentoo Installation Handbook. this Guide is for advanced users, not for inexperienced users. to that end, this Guide focuses upon how to do the Stage 1 on 3 installation, and it uses Gentoo's default locale (which happens to be my locale :wink:). i'm not going to cover things like how to install for alternate locations, how to use non-standard keyboard mapping, etc. the result of doing that would bloat this guide to a point beyond my objectives.

if anyone has special needs that aren't covered in this Guide, your only choice is to do your own homework and learn how to adapt this guide to your individual situation. i am not going to rewrite this Guide so that it becomes a Universal Installation Handbook. I just don't have the time to provide free consulting services for everyone who doesn't know how to complete their own Gentoo installation. if this guide doesn't cut it for you, you're going to have to tackle some of the problems youself. just post a thread in the support forums and someone with experience is sure to help you.

on the subject of CFLAGS, this subject gets beaten to death all over the Gentoo forums. i've specifically mentioned safe CFLAGS settings that should get you up and running. this Guide clearly states that no support is provided for CFLAGS settings that go beyond those recommended for a basic Gentoo installation. there is a reason for the official CFLAGS recommendations in the GIH and in this Guide. CFLAGS that go beyond these settings aren't supported. Period.

if you just can't live with the default CFLAGS settings and you want more architecture-specific optimization, go read the CFLAGS CEntral thread in Portage and Programming. once you have an idea what types of CFLAGS you'd like to try, it is your responsibility to experiment with them and to assure that they will not break another ebuild somewhere farther down the line.


finally, it is very far beyond the scope of this thread to ask support questions about installing KDE, or any other application. this Installation Guide is about installing GENTOO, not KDE. if you need support with another program, please post about it in the appropriate support forum.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taskara wrote:
so it somehow is set to use linux threads, but can switch to use posix?

as i understand it, NPTL is the default, with fallback to linux threads if NPTL doesn't work. if you were to use the USE="nptlonly" flag, then it would be NPTL default, with no fallback support if NPTL doesn't work.
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