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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was actually looking into UML. I do have a few questions: will using UML allow me to use the GUI? From the looks of it, it's more or less a command line type emulator. That is, if using UML, will I be able to "boot" the new distro just like I would if I had installed it on a new partition (use GNOME/KDE/etc)?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AgenT wrote:
I was actually looking into UML. I do have a few questions: will using UML allow me to use the GUI? From the looks of it, it's more or less a command line type emulator. That is, if using UML, will I be able to "boot" the new distro just like I would if I had installed it on a new partition (use GNOME/KDE/etc)?


Yes, UML set's up a virtual machine that is exactly like a REAL linux box. It boots, you can use X with any desktop env. just like normal. Read the docs to learn about it. Lots of cool stuff is possible with UML.

http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I tried Ubuntu but didn't like it. Simple as that really, plus a lot of stuff was out of date (and I know about the extra repositories you can use)


Well, why do you complain ? Its the same with Gentoo; a lot of stuff is out of date if you do not enable ~x86/masked packages.

Ubuntu is much more up to date than Gentoo, plus it has much more packages if you add the repositories.

Yesterday I have tried Ubuntu (Hoary) for the first time. I was amazed to see, that Ubuntu releases a new iso for its devel baranch every day ! Yesterday afternoon Januray 28 (time GMT +1), I downloaded Ubuntu Hoary 28012005.

-> it boots on kernel 2.6.10, with Gnome 2.9

Jut to give you 1 example:
After adding 1 or 2 repositories, as per the Ubuntu forums, I was able to install Openoffice2 v1.9.66-ubuntu with full gnome support (gnome file manager, etc...).

Where is gnome 2.9 and openoffice 1.99.6 in portage (completely configured for gnome support, etc...) ?

Also, another plus point : I have plugged-in an USB stick that was never recognized by any other distro (didn't work on Suse, Fedora, forget Gentoo,...). Ubuntu just mounted it automatically with a nice Icon on the desktop !
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PickledOnion wrote:


I tried Ubuntu but didn't like it. Simple as that really, plus a lot of stuff was out of date (and I know about the extra repositories you can use)


Well, why do you complain ?


Umm, I wasn't complaining. It was a simple statement. I don;t like mandrake either but I am not complaining about it. :P
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jowilly wrote:
PickledOnion wrote:


I tried Ubuntu but didn't like it. Simple as that really, plus a lot of stuff was out of date (and I know about the extra repositories you can use)


Well, why do you complain ? Its the same with Gentoo; a lot of stuff is out of date if you do not enable ~x86/masked packages.

Ubuntu is much more up to date than Gentoo, plus it has much more packages if you add the repositories.

Yesterday I have tried Ubuntu (Hoary) for the first time. I was amazed to see, that Ubuntu releases a new iso for its devel baranch every day ! Yesterday afternoon Januray 28 (time GMT +1), I downloaded Ubuntu Hoary 28012005.

-> it boots on kernel 2.6.10, with Gnome 2.9

Jut to give you 1 example:
After adding 1 or 2 repositories, as per the Ubuntu forums, I was able to install Openoffice2 v1.9.66-ubuntu with full gnome support (gnome file manager, etc...).

Where is gnome 2.9 and openoffice 1.99.6 in portage (completely configured for gnome support, etc...) ?

Also, another plus point : I have plugged-in an USB stick that was never recognized by any other distro (didn't work on Suse, Fedora, forget Gentoo,...). Ubuntu just mounted it automatically with a nice Icon on the desktop !


Can you throw me the link for the openoffice 1.9 repository information?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jowilly wrote:
PickledOnion wrote:


I tried Ubuntu but didn't like it. Simple as that really, plus a lot of stuff was out of date (and I know about the extra repositories you can use)


Well, why do you complain ? Its the same with Gentoo; a lot of stuff is out of date if you do not enable ~x86/masked packages.

Ubuntu is much more up to date than Gentoo, plus it has much more packages if you add the repositories.

Yesterday I have tried Ubuntu (Hoary) for the first time. I was amazed to see, that Ubuntu releases a new iso for its devel baranch every day ! Yesterday afternoon Januray 28 (time GMT +1), I downloaded Ubuntu Hoary 28012005.

-> it boots on kernel 2.6.10, with Gnome 2.9

Jut to give you 1 example:
After adding 1 or 2 repositories, as per the Ubuntu forums, I was able to install Openoffice2 v1.9.66-ubuntu with full gnome support (gnome file manager, etc...).

Where is gnome 2.9 and openoffice 1.99.6 in portage (completely configured for gnome support, etc...) ?

Also, another plus point : I have plugged-in an USB stick that was never recognized by any other distro (didn't work on Suse, Fedora, forget Gentoo,...). Ubuntu just mounted it automatically with a nice Icon on the desktop !


All of that software is easily obtainable in gentoo. Remember, gentoo is a metadistribution. You make it whatever you want it to be. ebuilds for everyone of the software apps you mentioned are either at breakmygentoo.net, in bugs.gentoo.org or in these forums. And many many more that ubuntu does not include. Gentoo is a volunteer created distro. ubuntu devs are PAID. If you find software that is not included in the main-line portage tree then just write an ebuild and submit it to bugs.gentoo.org, make a post here about it and voila! it's available in gentoo for anyone to use. Try submitting a new .deb to ubuntu. You won't get very far.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can you throw me the link for the openoffice 1.9 repository information?


it is part of the ubuntu universe packages.

i don't precisely know in which repository it is, as i accidentally found it while searching for openoffice with the synaptic packages manager.
here is what i have in my sources.list file...

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deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Alpha i386 Binary-1 (20050128)]/ unstable main restricted


deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted

## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
## after the final release of the distribution.
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted

## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
## repository.
## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
## team.
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe

deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main


be warned that one of those does not work, as it trows me an unknow location error... also as i have heard there are more repositories to add, but i didn't have time to check into it, as i have only discovered ubuntu 24 hours ago.

don't forget to install openoffice2-gnome for gnome support, and openoffice2-evolution if you need it.

openoffice2 now uses the gnome look for everything, including the menu.
for kde people, there is openoffice2-kde.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All of that software is easily obtainable in gentoo. Remember, gentoo is a metadistribution. You make it whatever you want it to be. ebuilds for everyone of the software apps you mentioned are either at breakmygentoo.net, in bugs.gentoo.org or in these forums. And many many more that ubuntu does not include. Gentoo is a volunteer created distro. ubuntu devs are PAID. If you find software that is not included in the main-line portage tree then just write an ebuild and submit it to bugs.gentoo.org, make a post here about it and voila! it's available in gentoo for anyone to use.


Yes you are right. But this is also true for any other distro. There are ftp repositories for Mandrake, Redhat, etc... where you find contributed packages.

You can easily make a redhat rpm (as a gentoo ebuild)...

And if there are no packages, as you say, "All of that software is easily obtainable" in any distribution (not only Gentoo).



curtis119 wrote:

Try submitting a new .deb to ubuntu. You won't get very far.


I don't know if you are right here :?: as I have only discovered ubuntu 24 hours ago (in this thread :) ), so I can't really say.

But during the few hours I have seen that there are several "contrib" places/repositories for ubuntu, there is an ubuntu bugzilla as for gentoo, there are forums, etc...

As I said, I have only tried it for a few hours, but what I see now is that ubuntu seems to be as good as a "gentoo with binary pakcages" -> no time lost to compile (take it as an advantage/disadvantage, whatever your needs are).

Also, keep in mind that Ubuntu is a new distribution.... It has just arrived, and it (IMHO) already blows most other distros.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ubuntu uses gnome by default. i have an extreme hatred for gnome.
You can install KDE though. i hugged my monitor at this point.

I had some issues with the ubuntu community being less helpful then gentoo's. I mention this because Ubuntu as a word and philosophy has strong ties to a community spirit.

i couldn't find some of the packages i wanted in the repositories even after enabling the extra ones. this was odd because there are debian packages out fro the software.

i don't remeber the other issues i had. i figured it would just make mores sense to use debian testing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thechris wrote:

i couldn't find some of the packages i wanted in the repositories even after enabling the extra ones. this was odd because there are debian packages out fro the software.

i don't remeber the other issues i had. i figured it would just make mores sense to use debian testing.


... you are supposed to be able to just add the debian repositories, and you are set to go (this is what Ubuntu users say).

I personally cannot help you more here, as I am only using ubuntu for a few hours...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'll just cut in right here
I want my GNOME menu in gentoo to be like the ubuntu menus, with applications and computer. how can i do that?

also, i know i can wrap GTK apps to QT themes, but can i wrap QT apps to my GTK theme?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i'll just cut in right here
I want my GNOME menu in gentoo to be like the ubuntu menus, with applications and computer. how can i do that?


Gnome 2.10 has a new menu system, so it won't be too long until these changes make it to gentoo (after 2.10's release, that is)

http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm trying Ubuntu right now, it works well and detects all of my hardware without problems.
The only problem I have with it is that it want to use my sound card on my tv tuner card as my default sound card instead of my SB Live!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BennyP wrote:
i'll just cut in right here
I want my GNOME menu in gentoo to be like the ubuntu menus, with applications and computer. how can i do that?

I remember seeing a thread by some person who asked "How can I get Ubuntu's Gnome menus in Gentoo," then answered their question in another post with a comment like, "Ooh, never mind. This is too heavily patched." If Sequentious is right, you probably won't have to do anything if you wait long enough, though. :)

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... you are supposed to be able to just add the debian repositories, and you are set to go (this is what Ubuntu users say).

I don't know about that... Reading through the HowTos in the forums, I see a lot of people saying things like "You can use the Debian package for this, but this is very dangerous and you are doing it at your own risk!" There is the Ubuntu Back-ports project (ubuntu-bp on SourceForge) which ports packages from Ubuntu Hoary and Debian sid to work on Warty.

curtis119 wrote:
Gentoo is a volunteer created distro. ubuntu devs are PAID. If you find software that is not included in the main-line portage tree then just write an ebuild and submit it to bugs.gentoo.org, make a post here about it and voila! it's available in gentoo for anyone to use. Try submitting a new .deb to ubuntu. You won't get very far.

This may be why there are volunteer-created repositories for Ubuntu...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

curtis119 wrote:
Gentoo is a volunteer created distro. ubuntu devs are PAID. If you find software that is not included in the main-line portage tree then just write an ebuild and submit it to bugs.gentoo.org, make a post here about it and voila! it's available in gentoo for anyone to use. Try submitting a new .deb to ubuntu. You won't get very far.


This, besides been a little bit rude, continues the bad concept, that a distro usually developes applications (someone on this thread even says that gentoo make new drivers!). 99% of Linux apps are made by volunteers, GPL'ed, and inserted on ALL distros. If they are not available as a rpm or deb or ebuild just go to the apps site, download code and compile.

Make an ebuild for an application as nothing to do with develope it. Just a specific script to portage knows how to do that with minimum effort to the user. But those who make a ebuild don't have to do much (and seems that lot of times they don't) about problems or conflicts with the application been added to portage.

Any way, as far as remember, backports site for ubuntu, was asking for volunteers to keep enlarging the repositoir backported.

And beeing a Debian based distro, most of they debs, came from Debian, wich, as far as I know is a complete volunteer distro as Gentoo.
(Ubuntu people just choose what can go on only 1 CD thake double care with conflicts between apps, personalize some stuff, graphics and look. )
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Try submitting a new .deb to ubuntu. You won't get very far.

That's only because the preferred path for inclusion in Ubuntu is to get the package into Debian first. This is a good thing, intended to ensure that as much as possible gets fed back into Debian proper.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

curtis119 wrote:
Gentoo is a volunteer created distro. ubuntu devs are PAID. If you find software that is not included in the main-line portage tree then just write an ebuild and submit it to bugs.gentoo.org, make a post here about it and voila! it's available in gentoo for anyone to use. Try submitting a new .deb to ubuntu. You won't get very far.


That's not really fair.
First of all ubuntu is based on debian and has a strong relation to debian and I think you can call debian a volunteer created distro. :D
Second, while the core developers are indeed all emplyed by canonical (which is great, btw., open source developers being payed to create great open source software isn't such a bad concept), there are now several community developers and the ubuntu devs are pushing the concept of a developer community.
Third, as some people already mentioned, everybody is free to create third party repositories and there already are several.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO, it is utterly fruitless to compare gentoo to ubuntu. they are two wholly different distributions with different goals and methods.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BennyP, they may be different but I find myself considering them for much of the same uses (namely an "optimized" primary desktop OS).

Feel free to continue thinking of the two as being "wholly different", but for many of us the question of Gentoo vs Ubuntu is a very relevant one.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BennyP wrote:
IMO, it is utterly fruitless to compare gentoo to ubuntu. they are two wholly different distributions with different goals and methods.

It's the same as balancing the pros and cons of purchasing a car or a truck. You don't compare a car to a truck, but you certainly have to decide between them.
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I tried Ubuntu as well, and this is how I feel about it. [insert approrpriate disclaimer about this being my own opinion, ymmv, etc here]

First: The positive.

Installation was easier than installing Debian proper, which I have a lot of experience doing. Installing Gentoo isn't all _that_ hard if you follow the handbook, but is definately not easy as installing Ubuntu (although, having installed LFS and Slackware... just about ANYTHING is easier to install than those two... ^_^).

Setting up a graphical interface was also a snap. Gentoo needs some automation in this respect, which will most likely come soon... but having had to tweak my X config files numerous times with [insert distribution here], I can usually get X going manually just about as quickly.

I'm a die-hard fluxbox fan, but I like KDE. Gnome never really impressed me, and seemed a lot less friendly... until Ubuntu. I really appreciated the design of Ubuntu's Gnome-based desktop. I think Ubuntu's default configuration was the first time I found myself saying "Wow... maybe Gnome isn't so bad after all." A consistent look and feel would be nice in Gentoo, or at least decent default configurations for GUI applications.

Adding new applications to Ubuntu was (obviously) easy. Having used Debian for a while, apt is nothing new to me, and as easy as ever. Synaptic is a nice addition for the graphical people for browsing the available packages (although Gentoo's porthole application is quite nice too).

And now... the negative.

Ubuntu suffers the same drawbacks as Debian.
1- Package versioning.
Before all of you jump on me for saying Ubuntu's packages are out of date, in the default user install THEY ARE. And yes, I know all about Hoary. As a Debian user, I usually ran with all the unstable, bleeding-edge apt repositories too (and sometimes paid the price for it, as well). Ubuntu does follow a 6-month release cycle, so when the next release comes out, Stable will be up-to-date... but not for long.

In order for me to find the applications in Ubuntu that I was used to using in Gentoo, with the same versions, I _had_ to go up to Hoary, and even then many packages were still behind (Gentoo had Firefox 1.0 and Hoary was still using 0.8 or 0.9, Gaim was behind, XChat was behind... etc). Whoever it was here who said that Ubuntu's Hoary repository was _more_ up to date than Gentoo must be using different applications on a daily basis than I am. >.>

2- The whole DFSG crusade.
Debian's creation philosophy is espoused in the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which all package submissions that hope to be included into mainline Debian have to follow. Ubuntu likewise uses similar standards with their packages, considering most of them come from Debian. DFSG guidelines basically prohibit any application that doesn't conform to at least a GPL-style restriction on distribution and use from becoming part of main, or even contrib. Anything that can't adhere to DFSG guidelines is relegated to non-free/, and this is where I find many applications I use, like pine, or Mplayer. Adding the non-free repositories is easy, just by editing your /etc/apt/sources.list file or adding them in Synaptic... but it's one more thing I have to do to get applications I normally use.

3- Ubuntu != Debian, where packages are concerned.
Like other people in this topic have stated... use of Debian packages in Ubuntu is considered a do-at-your-own-risk situation; Ubuntu has their own versions of packages and their own way of doing things, which may or may not make it incompatible with a Debian-only version of that package. While this isn't really a bad thing where Ubuntu is concerned, after all it's their distribution and they have the right to make their own packages that meet with their distro's agenda and integration philosophies... this means that using Debian packages to expand Ubuntu's availability is a potentially-disastrous practice. You are therefore left with 2 options. 1) Wait for an Ubuntu package that WILL work, or 2) Get the Debian-specific one and hope. Gentoo does not have this issue, necessarily.

Other problems:

Some applications that work hot-off-the-compiler in Gentoo are a roulette-game in Ubuntu. My experience with Ubuntu with multimedia applications met with disastrous and wholly unusable results. Simply getting MPlayer was a chore that made me decide to go back to Gentoo. Firstly, the non-free package version of MPlayer that's on Ubuntu's main repository segfaulted, even though I was using the k7 version of it (AMD Duron, should be compatible).

I eventually found a volunteer repository with other packages, and they worked... sort of. Mplayer _refused_ to respond to keyboard inputs no matter what I tried, config file or otherwise... and was _obsessed_ with trying to use my Sidewinder Gamepad for input, even if I -explicitly told it not to- in the config file. Playback suffered as a result, and my experience was tainted. I didn't dare try to get any other things, like xine. >.> I suppose this could've just been the package version I was using, or ineptitude on my part... but Gentoo's MPlayer worked out of the box, and Ubuntu's didn't.

- - -

In summary, my experience with Ubuntu was a mixed bag. I really appreciated the look and feel of Ubuntu, and the applications that DID run were responsive and on that note, Ubuntu was a pleasure to run. Being based on Debian, it doesn't have RPM hell that I've grown to loathe, so application installation was on the same level of ease as Gentoo. On the bad side, I had problems with applications that really shouldn't have had problems, and could not get latest-release applications. Your mileage may vary, of course...

If I had to recommend a binary distribution to a new user, I'd suggest Ubuntu or Fedora Core 3, or if they just wanted to play with Linux, I'd suggest Knoppix (which I've heard has a hard-disk install option now ^_^) But if I wanted to suggest a distribution for power users, Gentoo gets my nod, hands down.

[ Edit - I can spell. Really. >.> ]
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:05 am    Post subject: Re: Cashing in my $0.02 Here... Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing your experience, buckminst! I can really agree on the mplayer notes, as that has bugged very much as well. I found the Firefox plugin for mplayer a tad more stable than I remember from Gentoo, but it does not listen to keyboard input, and mplayer in general has somehow lost its ability to resize video output in Ubuntu. However:
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I didn't dare try to get any other things, like xine. >.>

This is unfortunate, because I have found totem-xine to be the most stable media player in Ubuntu for me. Oh, well. :)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: Cashing in my $0.02 Here... Reply with quote

I think that commenting on both distros (or others) is very usefull, too. Thanks for sharing you thoughts.


buckminst wrote:

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I _had_ to go up to Hoary, and even then many packages were still behind (Gentoo had Firefox 1.0 and Hoary was still using 0.8 or 0.9, Gaim was behind, XChat was behind... etc). Whoever it was here who said that Ubuntu's Hoary repository was _more_ up to date than Gentoo must be using different applications on a daily basis than I am. >.>


There is so many people saying that, that i'm starting to think there must be some broken ubuntu CDs out there.
Are you sure that you use a final ubuntu 4.10 (not a pre-release?). There is NO firefox 0.8 at ubuntu! Is Firefox 0.9RC1 with some patche on Warty and the usual 1.0 on hoary (and for quite a long).

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... Ubuntu has their own versions of packages and their own way of doing things, which may or may not make it incompatible with a Debian-only version of that package. While this isn't really a bad thing where Ubuntu is concerned, after all it's their distribution and they have the right to make their own packages that meet with their distro's agenda and integration philosophies... this means that using Debian packages to expand Ubuntu's availability is a potentially-disastrous practice. You are therefore left with 2 options. 1) Wait for an Ubuntu package that WILL work, or 2) Get the Debian-specific one and hope. Gentoo does not have this issue, necessarily.



You forgot the 3) way :)
3) Ubuntu as ALL other add gcc. Set on your CFLAGS and compile it.
Please don't forget we are talking about Linux, not a close source thing.

3.a) Sometimes you can get a binary or an installer distro independent. Like mozillas products. Firefox for example. (The guys who make firefox, can certanly choose the right CFLAGS when they compile it, dont you agree? ;)

My experience with mplayer is a lot of problems with all distros I tryed. I stop using that thing. I start to like kaffeine, and for watch DVDs (and mp3) totem becames a wonderful tool.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: Cashing in my $0.02 Here... Reply with quote

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There is so many people saying that, that i'm starting to think there must be some broken ubuntu CDs out there.
Are you sure that you use a final ubuntu 4.10 (not a pre-release?). There is NO firefox 0.8 at ubuntu! Is Firefox 0.9RC1 with some patche on Warty and the usual 1.0 on hoary (and for quite a long).


Well, as this was a couple months ago and I've reloaded Gentoo since then... No, I'm not sure. But I grabbed a release ISO straight from Ubuntu's website, installed that... then tried installing firefox from apt. Whatever version they had at that time was what I got. I don't remember if I had switched apt sources to Hoary yet or not. But it was some ridiculously low version number, and 0.8 sounds right (for Warty at least) because I remember thinking "Sheesh, I can't even use the extensions I was using because they're for 0.9+".

Of course, perhaps I'm off by a version number, and it was 0.9 and I had 1.0 extensions. ^_^;

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You forgot the 3) way :)
3) Ubuntu as ALL other add gcc. Set on your CFLAGS and compile it.
Please don't forget we are talking about Linux, not a close source thing.

3.a) Sometimes you can get a binary or an installer distro independent. Like mozillas products. Firefox for example. (The guys who make firefox, can certanly choose the right CFLAGS when they compile it, dont you agree? ;)


Well, I was only stating it the way I was if you wanted it specifically handled by apt for Ubuntu... Of course you could build your own .deb from source (though that's akin to pulling teeth... I remember looking into packaging a .deb for an application I was working on with some coworkers, and immediately thought twice about it, though I may just not have been looking in the right place for the right information) and do it that way, or grab the distro-agnostic installer from Mozilla.org (in case of Firefox)... But at least with 3.a it won't be handled by apt, so Ubuntu really has no idea you've installed it, and won't automate updates.

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My experience with mplayer is a lot of problems with all distros I tryed. I stop using that thing. I start to like kaffeine, and for watch DVDs (and mp3) totem becames a wonderful tool.


My Gentoo-installed mplayer works perfectly ^_^ I just used it to watch Ah! Megami-sama TV ep 4. I've never had any problems with it like I did with Ubuntu's packages. It was just crazy how much it was fighting me.

I've had other people suggest other apps, like totem-xine and such, and I suppose I could've gone that route. I had not heard of kaffeine though, and since Ubuntu is very Gnome-centric, that may not have been the best option (am assuming it's a KDE app you're talking about given their penchant for naming things with a c/k replacement ^_^)

You are definately right about one thing though, RuiP; this IS linux. We always have an option. =) And in the case of distributions themselves, we have _lots_ of options. Just look at www.distrowatch.com sometime. =) I for one need look no further; Gentoo is where I am happy, at least for now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Cashing in my $0.02 Here... Reply with quote

buckminst wrote:
... But I grabbed a release ISO straight from Ubuntu's website, installed that... then tried installing firefox from apt. Whatever version they had at that time was what I got. I don't remember if I had switched apt sources to Hoary yet or not.


ubuntu releases cds for they work-in-progress, before and after they official releases, almost weekly (the most importants are announced at http://www.linuxcompatible.org.) This is to make ubuntu available at maximum, for debug and for publicity, of course. I don't think on that as a bad ideia, but can confuse user, livecds, testLiveCDs, arrayCDs, preview CDs. But one should be correct on facts, i check my CD (4.10) it's:
mozilla-firefox_0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3_i386.deb.

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... and do it that way, or grab the distro-agnostic installer from Mozilla.org (in case of Firefox)... But at least with 3.a it won't be handled by apt, so Ubuntu really has no idea you've installed it, and won't automate updates.


You've a great point here. Sorry, i care so little for software updaters i forget the important they are.
On the other way, people are became very dependent of the applications installers these days... same times it sounds almost impossible to install something that is not on a repositoires... Things should not be this way, specially for gentoo users who compile almost everything they use.

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... this IS linux. We always have an option. =) And in the case of distributions themselves, we have _lots_ of options. Just look at www.distrowatch.com sometime. =) I for one need look no further; Gentoo is where I am happy, at least for now.

Oh well, me too. I know distrowatch. Thats one thing why i should is important discust (seriously) the different distros. Trying to see and understand what is the best and the not so good on wich one.
One thing i don't get is gentoo "temperature" on distrowatch. Latelly it stays on minus signal or down signal tendency. Why? Do you know other popularity indicators (sites with that i mean)?
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