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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject: Petition for AirPort Extreme Linux Driver Reply with quote

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?BCM4301
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signed!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signed, but will it really do any good?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:58 am    Post subject: Doing well Reply with quote

Just signed myself.

With 10,340 odd signatures heres hoping that they listen
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact, I don't think that will help us for getting drivers. But this can help to measure the number of unsatisfied people with this *$!%ing economical model...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A better measure would be if 10,000 people each put $50 towards development of Free drivers for the Broadcom chip. $500,000 should be enough to get drivers made within a reasonable timeframe.

It sounds like a dream though :(
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toojays wrote:
A better measure would be if 10,000 people each put $50 towards development of Free drivers for the Broadcom chip. $500,000 should be enough to get drivers made within a reasonable timeframe.

It sounds like a dream though :(


I like this idea... I would prefer to help free driver developpers with money more than waiting after big corporations... Hard to realize... but beautiful idea...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 6:31 pm    Post subject: also... Reply with quote

Just signed :)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe this won't do any good, because, if i'm not mistaken, Broadcom cannot release Airport Extreme's specs even if they wanted to. The chip used in Airport Extreme is also used in the US Air Force and they limit the functionality on the software, not the hardware.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

toojays wrote:
A better measure would be if 10,000 people each put $50 towards development of Free drivers for the Broadcom chip. $500,000 should be enough to get drivers made within a reasonable timeframe.

It sounds like a dream though :(


Yeh, right. People are going to pay another $50 for a card they already paid atleast $50 for. I might pay $10.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1

let's see what happens :!:
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sodki wrote:
I believe this won't do any good, because, if i'm not mistaken, Broadcom cannot release Airport Extreme's specs even if they wanted to. The chip used in Airport Extreme is also used in the US Air Force and they limit the functionality on the software, not the hardware.


I've heard an arguement like that before, but nvidia/ati are able to release binary-level drivers for their hardware. Seems like broadcom could release some kind of binary-only driver.

toojays wrote:
A better measure would be if 10,000 people each put $50 towards development of Free drivers for the Broadcom chip. $500,000 should be enough to get drivers made within a reasonable timeframe.


Hmm.. perhaps a bounty could be set up for some sort of working drivers, where the reward could be based on donations. Except that it might be illegal... stupid DMCA
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And if they release a binary driver - 90% chance it will be x86 only (look at Nvidia). Unfortunately, for Big corporations, PPC Linux is just totally off the radar (given that x86 Linux is only beginning to be noticed).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hrm... Hold on a sec guys. I read this post. For those of you too lazy to click, I'll quote it here:

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Ok, I going to correct this rumour I hear all over the net. I don't know why everyone denies their existance. It could be simple ignorance, incompetance, or simple ambivilence but there are linux/unix drivers for airport extreme. Yes I said airport EXTREME.
First of all there is a linux driver listed, although [propietary I believe, at http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz

Second see:
http://www.monkey.org/openbsd/archive/misc/0302/msg01000.html

"Has anyone looked into porting over the changes made to NetBSD (and subsequently FreeBSD) that allow Airport Extreme cards in the newer Apple notebooks (and possibly other 802.11g equipment) to connect to HostAP systems? Apparently, they fail to con"nect properly because the 802.11g cards advertise bit rates higher than the standard 802.11b ones, and just cut the connection, resulting in a association failure. I'm willing to do any testing necessary to get this working :) Thanks, Ben -- It is ok to be ignorant in some areas, but some people abuse the privileg"

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http://www.monkey.org/openbsd/archive/misc/0307/msg00807.html

[...]

Also, if you look at http://www.macsense.com/product/broadband/wpe800_b.html
you'll find out chips the airport extreme card uses (I assume this because the "aerocard extreme" manufacturers claim inter-operability). The chip sets mentioned are BCM4306 and BCM2050. Thus the free software concentration should be on these chips if we're to get gnu-linux drivers, or help (port?) the freebsd driver rather than negate existence of an open/free driver.

[...]


So, I must ask, is there anyone who wants to try the 'proprietary' driver, and tell us if it works? Also, can anyone confirm this? It's giving me hope that by the time I feel like getting a powerbook (*cough* when I can afford it *cough*) There might be support for the wireless cards in them.

Also, the forum there linkes this site however development seems stalled, if it ever really existed at all. (It's about 16 months since anyone's commited to CVS)

So, if FreeBSD has a driver that works.... could we bug someone into convirting it to Linux? (*If I knew about programming at that level, I would do it!)

[edit] Also, I just thought that since the card works on OSX, and Darwin is a derivative of FreeBSD... how hard would it be to get the OSX driver working in FreeBSD/Linux? I wonder if Apple/Broadcom would ever release the sourcecode to the driver(I am assuming it's not in OpenDarwin...)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There currently is *NO* support for the AE chipset on Linux at the moment, despite what those links may suggest. You can use cards with the AE chipset (BCM4306) on x86 machines with NDIS-wrapper which is what the posts there are alluding to, not very helpful on PPC. You would have to write your own kext wrapper (like NDIS-wrapper) to get the OSX AE driver working on linux, which isn't as simple as it sounds.

I'm currently helping with the sourceforge project, right now in our private CVS (to prevent legal problems with Broadcom) the MIPS bcm4301 driver is a little more than 50% translated into C. Although the sourceforge site itself looks dead, the project is still very alive.

It will happen eventually, just be patient. :)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoseJX wrote:

I'm currently helping with the sourceforge project, right now in our private CVS (to prevent legal problems with Broadcom) the MIPS bcm4301 driver is a little more than 50% translated into C. Although the sourceforge site itself looks dead, the project is still very alive.


Consider my interest piqued. For the sake of personal enlightenment, I was wondering - how close will the C-translated bcm4301 driver get you to understanding of the 4306 chipset? I have no idea how to even begin the kind of project you're undertaking - my knowledge of assembly approaches nil, and I'm slowly teaching myself C.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The MIPS driver includes support for all bcm43xx chipsets, so the only difference should be the Apple specific changes that need to be made, not really any core differences. The situation is similar to the relationship between the orinoco and airport modules.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so, I come to find out today that my girlfriend's dad works for broadcome developing drivers. I'm having dinner with him tonight and I *think* I may be able to get a hold of specifications for the chipset and beable to give it to the sourceforge broadcom project developers. Keep your fingers crossed.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck! If you do manage to get that info, it will be quite impressive. I'd make sure that it's legal to share anything that you get, don't just go picking documents off his desk. :)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha most deffinitly. I want to see if I can arange some type of a meeting with some people there to discus releasing the specifications to the public. If you live in / around Orange County and want to try to help send me a private message, as the more people I can show have a real intrest the better. The second option is that I'm sure I can get the info to help "speed along" the project by any neccessary means. Unfortunatly I doubt I'd be able to distribute it but if you have any ideas how I could let me know.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck, Kaamoss.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I talked to him today. The rumors of the airforce using the same chipset are true...however he told me that he would talk to some people there as he can pull a considerable amount of weight there and see what he can do. The impression that I got is that they are currently looking for some linux programmers to make linux binaries and drivers....so there is hope. I'll keep you informed as I get more information later next week.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Kaamoss: You are not kidding?? 8O
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, I most certainly am not. :lol: I'll have to play it by ear for a few days so and see what he can do though.
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