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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:29 am    Post subject: Battery died in mid-install on G3 Laptop, please help! Reply with quote

Yes, yes I was a moron! :( I was following the installation manual step by step and it was going slowly but ok.

I was here:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2004.3/handbook-ppc.xml?part=1&chap=4#filesystems-apply

Activating the Swap Partition

when the battery died. (during this part there is no nice warning, it just dies on you) I plugged in the power but of course now I am unable to get Mac or Linux boot screens to work.

Here is exactly what happens when the computer is turned on:

** the familiar Mac startup noise is heard (this a G3 Wallstreet)

** a floppy disk graphic with a flashing "?" appears (no little smiley mac)

** with both the Gentoo PPC Universal Live 2004-3 CD and the other BootX CD in the drive the machine tries accessing them and then after a few minutes shuts down with no apparent "anything" taking place.

So how can I rescue my machine to get Gentoo loaded? I am course (if you didn't guess already) a noob with Gentoo, though you might be saying a noob with electricity and batteries, too. I know I said that.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would disconnect the battery for an hour or so and pray it resets itself.

When booting, be sure to hold the 'C' key on the keyboard.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

danomac wrote:
I would disconnect the battery for an hour or so and pray it resets itself.

When booting, be sure to hold the 'C' key on the keyboard.


thanks for your quick reply....not sure why I should disconnect the battery? I now have the a/c connected so removing the battery does what? Please elaborate.

I did try holding "C" and nada. Same drill.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

most macs have a firmware reset button somewhere - on the back, underneath, or possible beneath the keyboard on your model. I had some issues like this installing linux and osx (via xpostfacto) on my old powerbook, the reset button would usually enable me to get back to os9
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much for your suggestion...I have done an extensive number of searches on locating the internal hardware button to revert back to the state before I started Gentoo install.

I can't find the internal button reference anywhere. The Wallstreet model does not appear to have a "button" anywhere.

I have found many references to this, article or it copied, but this does not solve my problem. It is a power mgr and PRAM reset instructions. Nothing internal.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=14449

After trying this and variety of other keyboard commans combined with the power button, no change, still the floppy disk with the question mark.

Any other thoughts?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

comand-option-p-r is the firmware zap key combination.

Needs to be down _before_ the chime, and hold it til it chimes a few times.

Failing that, I'd suggest finding an os9 disc to boot from and see if you can fix it that way
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lostdave wrote:
comand-option-p-r is the firmware zap key combination.

Needs to be down _before_ the chime, and hold it til it chimes a few times.


Yep...tried this as you noted and as my searches indicated this. I didn't get any "multiple chimes" though. I held the four keys, and then pressed the power button, heard the single chime, kept holding the key combination, saw the flashing question mark on the floppy, kept holding, and then finally let go. The machine kept flashing the question mark, then after a few minutes it shut down.

I have tried hitting the "c" with both BootX and the Gentoo disks in after this just in case it did clear things. But it has not helped.


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Failing that, I'd suggest finding an os9 disc to boot from and see if you can fix it that way


I need to dig around and see where I might have that disc. I guess that is my last resort. Thanks again for your assistance.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

:):(:?

:) I found my original disk.

:) I held the "c" down and it booted from this disk.
( :( so why does BootX not work????)

:) I was able to move around in the Apple Disk Booted OS.

:( I can not see any hard drives, on both the recovery or the new install options. Nothing!

If you look back at where I was when I lost power, you will note that I had just set up my drives. (I set them up on /dev/hda6 and /dev/hda7, since 1-5 were being used.) I think I somehow made the UNIX partitions completely blow away any Apple recognizing.

In case this matters my boot disk is system 8 something. I think the Powerbook had a newer OS upgrade, but it came with OS8.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The macos disk tools can't see the hard drive at all? Not even any unknown partitions to delete? I don't mean the install - I mean the disk partitioning tool. Personally, if that can find the drive, I'd wipe it and start afresh, with a small macos install on the hard drive (200mb should do it) and installing bootx to it, thus eliminating the issues of the bootx disk, etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lostdave wrote:
The macos disk tools can't see the hard drive at all? Not even any unknown partitions to delete? I don't mean the install - I mean the disk partitioning tool. Personally, if that can find the drive, I'd wipe it and start afresh, with a small macos install on the hard drive (200mb should do it) and installing bootx to it, thus eliminating the issues of the bootx disk, etc.


Dave -!!!

Thanks for pushing me...on my PowerBook G3 Series CD in the /utilites there is a program called Drive Setup, which is like the Disk Tools program you referred to.

When I run Driver Setup:

** It searches for Drives... and finds:
** <CD ROM Drive>
** <not mounted>

The <not mounted> is an ATA, with 0 Bus, 0 ID, and 0 LUN. (I don't know what this means, just giving you the info.)

THe program asks you to select a drive. When the <not mounted> drive is selected I can click the "initialize..." button and the Funtcions menu has, Initializaion Options, Update Driver, Customize Volumes..., Test Disk..., Rescan Bus all available. Mount Volumes and Eject Disk are greyed out.

I am not sure what I can do here...but it seems like the correct place to deal with the steps I had already taken in the original post.

I figure better to ask before doing more damage. Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the one. Probably "Initialisation Options" is the one you want.

It's a pretty self-explanatory program - use it to create a single partition of ~200mb and leave the rest of the disk blank for later installing linux, then install macos into it - you'll probably need to do a custom install and leave out the unnecessaries to make it fit.

After its installed and you reboot to macos, you can install bootx to there, and then install gentoo pretty much like it says in the handbook.

Alternatively, I suspect you could just create a single blank partition, which should clean the boot records and things sufficiently you could then boot from your bootx disk as you started out doing.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lostdave wrote:
That's the one. Probably "Initialisation Options" is the one you want.

It's a pretty self-explanatory program - use it to create a single partition of ~200mb and leave the rest of the disk blank for later installing linux, then install macos into it - you'll probably need to do a custom install and leave out the unnecessaries to make it fit.

After its installed and you reboot to macos, you can install bootx to there, and then install gentoo pretty much like it says in the handbook.

Alternatively, I suspect you could just create a single blank partition, which should clean the boot records and things sufficiently you could then boot from your bootx disk as you started out doing.


To quote the Guiness commericals, "BRILLIANT!"

It worked, and I have a 200MB Hard Drive partition with 125MB install, customized. Of course now the problem. BootX's .sit file won't decompact with the version of stuffit expander that came in the OS8 default. I am sure I am to close to the problem to see my error.

I drag and drop, doesn't work.

I open SE and then find the .sit file, nothing. I looked at all the options and still couldn't figure out the folly of my ways.

I was thinking maybe the version of BootX I have is so new that the compression is giving the older version of SE a problem, but on a Mac without a connection anymore I am not sure how to get the new version of SE on to that mac, if that is even the problem.

So I have the BootX disc and the Gentoo disc both with a bunch of "unreadable files". I see them, but they are all gray papers, no associated icons or anything.

Ideas?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bootx disk you were talking about before? that might be readable to macos and have the appropriate files on it...

I'm not sure exactly what this thing is, but I'm guessing it has to be some sort of emulated cut-down macos+bootx.

Other than that, download the last os8/9 version of SE and work out a way of transfering it. Don't those machines have a network connection built in?
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