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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:01 am    Post subject: Release Dates, AMD64, and a new forum member =) Reply with quote

Hi, there! I've been a Gentoo Linux user since the good ol' 1.4 days, and now it's my first time around these forums! I've heard really good things about the community that's been growing around this place...so I wanted to drop by and ask you, guys, one simple question, if you can bare with me =)
During the last couple of days I've been wondering about the next Gentoo release, which is, as you all know, 2005.0. I thought it was scheduled for February, but it seems it's been delayed for some time as it's still not out! As I have recently acquired an AMD64 based system, I was hoping to be able to download and install the brand new 2005.0 version as soon as it came out =)...But, as there haven't been any news regarding any possible release date, and according to the 2005.0 Release Guide that states the Q&A process is still going on, I have started to get a bit impatient ;). So here's my question, should I download 2004.3 and put up with downloading new kernel sources and syncing the database to get the latest releases, or should I wait for 2005.0? I was planning to do a simple Stage 3 install, using some binary packages (the big ones), such as X.org, KDE and/or Gnome (perhaps), so having a Package CD would save me the hassle of having to download the new packages... I was planning to compile everything else...
Do you know whether there'll be a profile update or not?
And when do you think 2005.0 will be out?

If you can talk me into going for 2004.3 and then doing an emerge -u world, I'll be starting the installation ASAP ;)

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2005.0 will be out whenever it's done.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well...as everything else, except Windows (Millenium, anyone?).
Anyways, I was more interested in my other question...about whether I should wait for it or not to install on a AMD64 based system...
Err..thanks anyway for your...insight? ;)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Browse the duplicates forum to get a feeling why ciaranm's answer was rather short :P

I'd go for a 2004.3 LiveCD. Releases don't mean too much, though the faster installation with GRP packages is interesting of course.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crap! I went through the forums looking for such a thread...I didn't think it was in the duplicates forum...:lol:
I do know that if I "upgrade" I'll get the same system as 2005.0 will be sporting out-of-box, but I was wonderng if it was worth waiting for it...I mean...I'd feel kinda annoyed if I downloaded 2004.3, went through all the installation procedure without the package-cd, just to find out 2005.0 was going to be released a week after that!
In any case...I shall check these forums more carefuly...I've read somewhere else that most questions here are already answered beforehand! Thanks, anyway ;) Oh...I was gonna ask something about AMD64 and Reiser4...I guess I'll just search through the forums before asking ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The release numbers are only interesting for the Live CD you install from.

Once you have installed a system and update it on a regular basis, your system will be on a 2005.0 level when the LiveCD is released.

I installed my AMD64 system last April and I'm up-to-date on everything.
Go ahead with the current LiveCD and have fun!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My big question would be, Why not just compile everything?

I mean the AMD64CPU is supposed to be lightning fast. Even compiling x.org won't take all that much time on that kind of machine. In any case, it will still be faster then waiting for 2005.0 to come out. And doing it all from source from the getgo will be faster then doing it with the binaries then having to re-compile them anyway when you do an update world.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madchaz wrote:
My big question would be, Why not just compile everything?

I mean the AMD64CPU is supposed to be lightning fast. Even compiling x.org won't take all that much time on that kind of machine. In any case, it will still be faster then waiting for 2005.0 to come out. And doing it all from source from the getgo will be faster then doing it with the binaries then having to re-compile them anyway when you do an update world.

The *CPU* is fast. However, it has small cache and is crippled by slow RAM, and chances are the box in question doesn't have a scsi320 or fibrechannel hard drive array, so it'll be slowed down by I/O even more.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eeerrr....? I compiled everything on my Athlon XP 2600+ and that took under an hour to compile X.org, and only about 8 to compile the KDE stuff I wanted. That isn't that long to wait to have the main parts optimised for your system. I doubt a fibre <whatever>... would have saved me much time, or anyone else - unless the have a quad Xeon or similar system.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LucaSpiller wrote:
Eeerrr....? I compiled everything on my Athlon XP 2600+ and that took under an hour to compile X.org, and only about 8 to compile the KDE stuff I wanted. That isn't that long to wait to have the main parts optimised for your system. I doubt a fibre <whatever>... would have saved me much time, or anyone else - unless the have a quad Xeon or similar system.

It'd've saved you something over 30%. x86/amd64 kit is extremely unbalanced.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ciaranm wrote:
madchaz wrote:
My big question would be, Why not just compile everything?

I mean the AMD64CPU is supposed to be lightning fast. Even compiling x.org won't take all that much time on that kind of machine. In any case, it will still be faster then waiting for 2005.0 to come out. And doing it all from source from the getgo will be faster then doing it with the binaries then having to re-compile them anyway when you do an update world.

The *CPU* is fast. However, it has small cache and is crippled by slow RAM, and chances are the box in question doesn't have a scsi320 or fibrechannel hard drive array, so it'll be slowed down by I/O even more.


Wow, we've gone straight past brand elitism right into the no-man's land of arch elitism. Thank you, ciaranm, for transforming this thread from a potentially helpful one into a morass of dumb.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lews_Therin wrote:
ciaranm wrote:
madchaz wrote:
My big question would be, Why not just compile everything?

I mean the AMD64CPU is supposed to be lightning fast. Even compiling x.org won't take all that much time on that kind of machine. In any case, it will still be faster then waiting for 2005.0 to come out. And doing it all from source from the getgo will be faster then doing it with the binaries then having to re-compile them anyway when you do an update world.

The *CPU* is fast. However, it has small cache and is crippled by slow RAM, and chances are the box in question doesn't have a scsi320 or fibrechannel hard drive array, so it'll be slowed down by I/O even more.


Wow, we've gone straight past brand elitism right into the no-man's land of arch elitism. Thank you, ciaranm, for transforming this thread from a potentially helpful one into a morass of dumb.

Not at all. It's a simple fact -- when it comes to compiling, don't expect particularly impressive results from amd64.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See the FAQ.

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