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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:47 pm    Post subject: Bottom Of The Line Mac? Reply with quote

I'm interested in trying out the ppc architecture so I checked out ebay for some mac laptops. There are some cheap ones out there but they have specs of 300mhz/64mb, 300mhz/32mb, etc. Pretty low stuff.

All I want is to be able to install fluxbox and a few apps like firefox, gaim, irssi, etc.

Again, I'm not sure exaclty how powerfull this ppc arc is so I'm asking what can I get away with here? Anybody running gentoo on a machine like this?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Bottom Of The Line Mac? Reply with quote

Hey there,

Shiner_Man wrote:
I'm interested in trying out the ppc architecture so I checked out ebay for some mac laptops. There are some cheap ones out there but they have specs of 300mhz/64mb, 300mhz/32mb, etc. Pretty low stuff.

All I want is to be able to install fluxbox and a few apps like firefox, gaim, irssi, etc.

Again, I'm not sure exaclty how powerfull this ppc arc is so I'm asking what can I get away with here? Anybody running gentoo on a machine like this?


How cheap are you looking? The new Mac-mini sounds like a good deal to me ($500) even without the keyboard and monitor which I am sure you probably have somewhere.

Best,

Alex
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted something portable like a laptop. I found some stuff on ebay for less then $200.

Like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5755250727&category=80050&sspagename=rvi:1:1v_home
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 500 MHz G3 iBook with 640MB and the only thing that's slow is the compiling. Everything else does an ok job. If you are doing a stage 1 my recommendation is just leave the hour for a day or so.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If and when I get one of these I'm going to try and get some cross complining going on with my other machines using distcc.

Basically I want to get this ppc laptop as an adventure machine that I can use for primarily coding and network enumeration.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 14" 400MHz G3-pismo, 512MB Ram, 40GB HDD.

It works great in Gentoo. The install was a little painful, but faster than a 533 Celeron I did once.
It runs great for most stuff. MOL works fine running 9.2.2, 10.2, and 10.3.
Got opengl acceleration working too, but it's pretty sad. I use xdirectfb, and it seems faster.
The sound is a major PITA, and I can't make any of my PCMCIA wireless cards work on it. They all work with my x86 boxes in Linux.
I think I narrowed that down to PCMCIA chipset problems in the Pismo and Wallstreet, but I've tried all settings I could find to no avail. I'm thinking of just buying an airport card, so I can be wireless. The biggest gripe I had about the machine was the stock HDD was SLOW!! The 40 GB is a 5400RPM 16MB cache part though, and does a good job.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shiner_Man wrote:
I wanted something portable like a laptop. I found some stuff on ebay for less then $200.

Like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5755250727&category=80050&sspagename=rvi:1:1v_home


That's quite old... I would personnally not pay 200$ for it...
Note: New iBook are ~1400$CAN, I think 1000$US or maybe less now...

I have:
iBook G3 700MHz 256MB

You probably don't want that for OS X.

But for Gentoo + WindowMaker very good machine. Comparable to my AMD Athlon 1200MHz, the Athlon slightly faster.

I use distcc with cross-compiler so speed up a little.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 300mhz, 512MB clamshell iBook that works very well with Xorg and XFce4. Fine for email, web surfing, gaim, light development, etc. Compiles do take a while, but I just let the bigger stuff run overnight...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got gentoo running on a 233mhz Rev. A bondi blue imac. Upgraded the ram to 192 and replaced the hard disk with a 15 gig I had laying around. (Both of which are a huge pain in the ass. Anyone who's had to open up an older imac knows what I'm talking about. I’d go for something newer than the old A, B or C bondi imacs just to save yourself the pain if you need to upgrade.)
I even upgraded the video memory to 4 megs. I just happened to have an old video card laying around that had the same ATI chip that the imac board had on it. I took of it's memory expasion and popped it in the mac. Suprise! It worked.

Anyway, the performance is surprisingly good. It boots quickly and X is responsive

But, as you may have guessed, compiling packages is rather slow. It takes a while to emerge things like xorg.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard something about how a PPC processor's clock speed should be doubled when comparing to a x86 arch.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omega21 wrote:
I heard something about how a PPC processor's clock speed should be doubled when comparing to a x86 arch.


That was true of the G3 era but that speed advantage largely disappears in the G4 era. In any case, an alternative to distcc is to set the portage niceness level up to 10 or so and enable hibernate on you kernel. Then you can just compile in the background and update at your leasure. (make sure to emerge -f world so all of the files are downloaded!)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For reference, I have a iBook G3 Clamshell 466mhz with 576mb ram that runs os x 10.4 well, with spotlight disabled. The clamshells aren't supported by 10.5 (I think the cutoff is 500mhz).

I think all the clamshells have 64mb ram onboard, and they have another slot for ram. They just take standard laptop sdram, nothing special for apple.

I'm waiting to get a bigger drive to put Gentoo on it, but I haven't found anything that would give major problems, other than slow to compile.

Upgrading the hard drive on a clamshell requires completely disassembling the laptop, removing the display and everything. Just something to consider. RAM is easy to get to, as is the airport card.
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