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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:39 am    Post subject: What's the best GUI? Reply with quote

I tried gnome, but the screenshots of enlightenment blew me away, what is the best GUI for functionality and eye candy?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best DE for usability and looks I think is a nicely trimmed XFCE4 DE. It's light, usable, and the theming is nice..
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I "emerge" that out of portage? and do I need to run Xorg-11 first?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have gnome on your system, you have already installed xorg!!! Just emerge xfce4 away... And please do not star a window manager war! The best for one person may not be the best for another so check them all out yourself and pick whichever suits you!!! :roll:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to start a war, but I don't know of any other window managers besides X, Without starting a flame war, can you tell me my other options. By the way, I reinstalled because windows ate LILO when I tried to install it, so right now I am at a functioning Command prompt and that's it. I don't have any GUI on there yet.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enlightenment isnt a Desktop Environment.
Its a WM, and in it's DR17 incarnation, its also got elements of a filemanager in it.

Gnome, KDE and XFCE are more contained than a windowmanager (WM) is, they provide filemanagers, their own window manager (though you can use your own if you wish), intergration between applications, and so on.

A window manager on the other hand, only manages your windows for you. They come in all sorts of flavours, some are very complex and scriptable (Fvwm is a prime example), others are incredibly lightweight (Ratpoison), and others are very pretty and sit somewhat in the middle (Enlightenment).
As far as plain prettiness goes, both Fvwm and Enlightenment can be made incredibly gorgeous to look at. Fvwm takes a lot more work to get pretty than E does though.
And as far as E17 goes, you can install it through CVS, but dont expect anything marvellous out of it yet, its still only in a beta form.
Some vids, if you wanna see what it runs like, can be found here and here.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally use fluxbox, but if your looking for a de/wm with a good mix of eye-candy and functionality, XFCE is a good choice. I've used it a good deal, and it's fast looks great, what more could you ask for?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I run KDE but am waiting impatiently for the next official Enlightenment. (Can't get the CVS version to compile :( )
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want:

Minimalistic: Fluxbox/Openbox (I'm up in the air as to which I like better, although I'm floating back to Fluxbox)
Windows 98ish: IceWM
Lots of crap: KDE/Gnome
The most Eye Candy at the cost of the the world's worst config files: FVWM
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay, so if I decide I want enlightenment, After I
Code:
emerge xorg-x11

I would
Code:
emerge enlightenment


Is that correct?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arainach wrote:
If you want:

Minimalistic: Fluxbox/Openbox (I'm up in the air as to which I like better, although I'm floating back to Fluxbox)
Windows 98ish: IceWM
Lots of crap: KDE/Gnome
The most Eye Candy at the cost of the the world's worst config files: FVWM


Agreed! But Once you go with FVWM, it is so hard to go with any other WM.

Check out the FVWM Forums as well as the fvwm thread here and the fvwm.org site.

You can find some nice configs to play around with, There is a lot of help for fvwm if you look and if you are willing to learn just a bit.

Also, for eyecandy like gdesklets and karamba there is now something called adesklets that uses less resources and requires less libraries. There are not as many desklets but that will come with time.

Really, a Good GUI is what works for you. Decide what you want, what you are willing to sacrifice or not sacrafice.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You said you tried gnome, which means you should already have xorg-x11 on your system. Listen to taurus (above).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can set up KDE in similar ways to XFCE. this gives you the integrated feel as well as the functional control panels of KDE without the bland MS look alike feel. i found gnome unusable and followed the logical solution of not using it. alternatives are a very nice thing!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sith,

What happened was, I tried to install windows on a separate partition and it FUBAR'd my LILO, and since I needed the practice, I reinstalled and I'm at a command prompt again. So it's Tabula Rasa, a blank slate, just the intact gentoo Running the command line.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're running a fresh setup with no GUI installed yet than emerging any window manager or desktop environment will automatically pull down Xorg-x11 as a dependency, so if you want enlightenment then just "emerge enlightenment" and you're set.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Liff and everyone else, I think I am going to use enlightenment after all. This should be fun...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arainach wrote:
If you want:

Minimalistic: Fluxbox/Openbox (I'm up in the air as to which I like better, although I'm floating back to Fluxbox)
Windows 98ish: IceWM
Lots of crap: KDE/Gnome
The most Eye Candy at the cost of the the world's worst config files: FVWM


Don't agree. The meta-KDE packages makes you able to decide what to install (to a much greater degree than previously).
Agree
Code:
emerge kde
installs lots and lots and lots of crap you never use. Which was one reason why I emerged Enlightenment.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very true. I don't use KDE, however it is possible to strip it down to the bare minimum (kde-base) and add from there using the other kde ebuilds (kde-multimedia, kde-games, etc.).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've already made your mind about using Enlightment, but if you really like a light and snappy system, I would suggest you give fluxbox a try. I've been using it ever since I got Gentoo installed and you can configure it to the max and keep things simple which is the true beauty of it. If you decide to go with Flux, here are a couple links that might be helpful:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Fluxbox
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-207466-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-25.html
http://darkshed.net/files/rcs/fluxbox/keys
http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net

Good luck Gentooing ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kde the best

for small pc, xfce4 8)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gnome is nice and can be made to look very nice, and is much quicker, imo, than kde
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

russianpirate wrote:
gnome is nice and can be made to look very nice, and is much quicker, imo, than kde


I found that too (the speed). I used GNOME 2.6 but moved to KDE for a long time and thought it was faster than GNOME. I recently moved back to GNOME 2.10rc1 and have been so impressed with the speed of it and the speed increases in other program (Firefox for one). I couldnt be happier about switching back and have kicked myself for taking this long to do it.

Aside from a couple of options (launching terminal via Nautilus like KDE can do is sorely missed as is being able to open a root Nautilus like you can also manage in KDE's konqueror), I simply love it. It also does not have the redraw problems with the ati closed source drivers that KDE had with my card and the huge plus is that every program I use is GTK+

I highly recommend GNOME over KDE now.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shouldbesleeping wrote:
Thanks Liff and everyone else, I think I am going to use enlightenment after all. This should be fun...


Try them all. Only you can know which one suits you and Linux is not like Windows. It wont break after unistallation of programs or over time. I would suggest you emerge them all and give each a try and decide what works for you as only you know what you want.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved to dups in favour of https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=2676
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