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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VinzC wrote:
seppelrockt wrote:
What I like is that I now have only ~50% of the stuff that belongs to xorg installed...

What do you mean exactly? Is there more than one package required for Xorg now?


Yes, xorg-x11-7.0.0_rc1 is a meta package that pulls in the most important stuff from the split ebuilds. However there is still some finetuning needed (some of it may be caused by the early stage of the meta ebuild). This aplies to x11-apps and x11-drivers in particular. Here you see packages I have currently installed for a running KDE system:
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#Xorg-x11 7.0 RC1 meta ebuilds
#########
dev-util/pkgconfig ~x86
media-fonts/encodings ~x86
media-fonts/font-adobe-utopia-type1 ~x86
media-fonts/font-alias ~x86
media-fonts/font-bh-ttf ~x86
media-fonts/font-bitstream-type1 ~x86
media-fonts/font-cursor-misc ~x86
media-fonts/font-misc-misc ~x86
media-fonts/font-util ~x86
media-libs/mesa ~x86
x11-apps/bdftopcf ~x86
x11-apps/iceauth ~x86
x11-apps/mkfontdir ~x86
x11-apps/mkfontscale ~x86
x11-apps/rgb ~x86
x11-apps/setxkbmap ~x86
x11-apps/xauth ~x86
x11-apps/xclock ~x86
x11-apps/xhost ~x86
x11-apps/xinit ~x86
x11-apps/xkbcomp ~x86
x11-apps/xmodmap ~x86
x11-apps/xrandr ~x86
x11-apps/xrdb ~x86
x11-apps/xmessage ~x86
x11-apps/xset ~x86
x11-apps/xsetroot ~x86
x11-base/xorg-server ~x86
x11-base/xorg-x11 ~x86
x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev  ~x86
x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard ~x86
x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse ~x86
x11-drivers/xf86-video-i810 ~x86
x11-libs/libdmx ~x86
x11-libs/libdrm ~x86
x11-libs/libfontenc ~x86
x11-libs/libICE ~x86
x11-libs/libSM ~x86
x11-libs/libX11 ~x86
x11-libs/libXau ~x86
x11-libs/libXaw ~x86
x11-libs/libXcomposite ~x86
x11-libs/libXcursor ~x86
x11-libs/libXdamage ~x86
x11-libs/libXdmcp ~x86
x11-libs/libXext ~x86
x11-libs/libXfixes ~x86
x11-libs/libXfont ~x86
x11-libs/libXft ~x86
x11-libs/libXi ~x86
x11-libs/libXinerama ~x86
x11-libs/libxkbfile ~x86
x11-libs/libxkbui ~x86
x11-libs/libXmu ~x86
x11-libs/libXpm ~x86
x11-libs/libXrandr ~x86
x11-libs/libXrender ~x86
x11-libs/libXres ~x86
x11-libs/libXScrnSaver ~x86
x11-libs/libXt ~x86
x11-libs/libXtst ~x86
x11-libs/libXv ~x86
x11-libs/libXxf86dga ~x86
x11-libs/libXxf86misc ~x86
x11-libs/libXxf86vm ~x86
x11-libs/xtrans ~x86
x11-libs/libXvMC ~x86
# From overlay, provides glxinfo/glxgears
x11-misc/glx-utils ~x86
x11-misc/imake ~x86
x11-misc/makedepend ~x86
x11-misc/util-macros ~x86
x11-misc/xbitmaps ~x86
x11-misc/xkbdata ~x86
x11-misc/xorg-cf-files ~x86
x11-themes/gentoo-xcursors ~x86
x11-proto/bigreqsproto ~x86
x11-proto/compositeproto ~x86
x11-proto/damageproto ~x86
x11-proto/dmxproto ~x86
x11-proto/evieext ~x86
x11-proto/fixesproto ~x86
x11-proto/fontcacheproto ~x86
x11-proto/fontsproto ~x86
x11-proto/glproto ~x86
x11-proto/inputproto ~x86
x11-proto/kbproto ~x86
x11-proto/randrproto ~x86
x11-proto/recordproto ~x86
x11-proto/renderproto ~x86
x11-proto/resourceproto ~x86
x11-proto/scrnsaverproto ~x86
x11-proto/trapproto ~x86
x11-proto/videoproto ~x86
x11-proto/xcmiscproto ~x86
x11-proto/xextproto ~x86
x11-proto/xf86bigfontproto ~x86
x11-proto/xf86dgaproto ~x86
x11-proto/xf86driproto ~x86
x11-proto/xf86miscproto ~x86
x11-proto/xf86rushproto ~x86
x11-proto/xf86vidmodeproto ~x86
x11-proto/xineramaproto ~x86
x11-proto/xproto ~x86
x11-wm/twm ~x86
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, and the same in /etc/portage/package.unmask... This is ein Kolossale Liste ;) . Erm... did you try also the modular KDE? :D

Just kidding. I think I'm going to wait till when Xorg 7 becomes unmasked in portage.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VinzC wrote:
Yup, and the same in /etc/portage/package.unmask... This is ein Kolossale Liste ;) . Erm... did you try also the modular KDE? :D

Just kidding. I think I'm going to wait till when Xorg 7 becomes unmasked in portage.


Yes, I have the modular KDE 3.5 beta2 installed, so my package.keywords / package.mask is realy long ... But I bet you will try the modular Xorg soon, too. I said exactly the same "I wait 'til it's unmasked" to myself a week ago ... After having a short look to your sig, I think everything is clear ;-)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had a closer look to the changelog of kernel 2.6.14-gitXX and I must say I'm looking forward to -rc1! There are many patches for libata and friends and initial support for Intel GMA900/i915GM in intelfb. Stay tuned!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seppelrockt wrote:
Just had a closer look to the changelog of kernel 2.6.14-gitXX and I must say I'm looking forward to -rc1! There are many patches for libata and friends and initial support for Intel GMA900/i915GM in intelfb. Stay tuned!

Cool :) . I'd even temporarily switch to Vanilla sources just to test it :) .
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,
i would like to use the modem, but i don't find the driver. Do someone got it to work ?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pierreg wrote:
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i would like to use the modem, but i don't find the driver. Do someone got it to work ?


I did not try it myself but I read something about using the modem with Alsa. I can't provide the link that describes how to get it working on Dell I6000 cause I have lost all my bookkmarks :-( Hope this pointer helps anyway!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to know what's going on with libata in the future (ATAPI support, power management, NQC, ...) you might check out this page.

Did you know that our Chipset is ICH6M and thus supports NQC and AHCI? I didn't - but next time I might build the AHCI kernel stuff as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seppelrockt wrote:
If you want to know what's going on with libata in the future (ATAPI support, power management, NCQ, ...) you might check out this page.

I'm not sure to understand all the implications with Linux in fact. This is a bit too technical for me :roll: . Geez! I'd never have believed I would say that one day...

seppelrockt wrote:
Did you know that our Chipset is ICH6M and thus supports NCQ and AHCI? I didn't - but next time I might build the AHCI kernel stuff as well.

Sure. I've enabled AHCI since the beginning - following one of your early posts in this thread, IIRC.
Code:
$ /sbin/lspci | grep IDE
0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03)

Code:
$ zgrep AHCI /proc/config.gz
CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_AHCI=y

As for Native Command Queuing support, what does it mean exactly? That we could get even faster disk transfers than what we currently get because the driver doesn't use the chipset's full features yet?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:23 pm    Post subject: I6K: suspend2ram still open Reply with quote

Hi,

before I start to ask a question I would like to give an overview what happened with my I6K and gentoo so far.

After long investigation what laptop could fulfill my requirements I decided to go with the I6K (GMA900, WUXGA, 2GB) and not my 1st favorite HP nx8220. I'm using SuSE since 4.3 on my desktop PCs (1997?) and SuSE/knoppix/kanotix on different company-laptops (Fujitsu-Siemens, Toshiba, T41) for about 3 years. Together with my decision to buy my first own laptop I wanted to give gentoo a try. To summarize: I'm deeply impressed how stable the system runs and how easy gentoo can be installed and maintained up-to-date.
I didn't had much trouble during the installation that could not be solved by reading gentoo-docs, this forum, this thread, google, etc. However, here are some issues that I had to solve:
- gcc version-switch after starting with 2005.1 cd-image and emerge -uDN --> had to use fix_libtool... (I guess it should be part of the handbook)
- X and the garbaged console --> had to use the old vesa_fb instead vesa-tng
- vbetool even for simply switching the backlight ON --> took some time to find out
- suspend to disk with 2GB memory --> needed "ImageSizeLimit nocache" to avoid looong suspend/resume
- utf8 support --> still not perfect (some console/mc and kmail issues)

There is still one point where I'm not able to proceed. Suspend2ram does not work properly. When I resume from S3 it's possible to switch between console and X but any harddisk access fails. The HDD-LED lights constantly and I have to use the power-button :-( I've tried a lot of different options (ata_piix modifications, console only, unload all modules, etc.) but no joy.
I'm currently using linux-2.6.13-suspend2-r4 sources because I like it stable ;-)

Question: Shall I continue to try different kernel-versions&patches or better wait for 2.6.14 to be unmasked.

Thanks in advance!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: I6K: suspend2ram still open Reply with quote

amaroc wrote:

I'm currently using linux-2.6.13-suspend2-r4 sources because I like it stable ;-)
Question: Shall I continue to try different kernel-versions&patches or better wait for 2.6.14 to be unmasked.
Thanks in advance!


Even worse - I would NOT recommend you to switch to 2.6.14 or newer even if they become x86. Why, you might ask ... Because the patches for SATA_ATAPI do not work anymore on this - there is a lot of work going on in libata in the >= 2.6.14 kernel series and they aim to make SATA_ATAPI work out of the box, soon. But in the meantime it's a no go (at least for me) to get my optical drive working as expected (tried 2.6.14 and 2.6.15_rc1).

So even if I have 2.6.15_rc1 installed for testing purpose I use 2.5.12.5 for my every day work. In my opinion there are still some glitches with I6K that are mostly hardware related and might be fixed some day by the kernel and xorg folks. They do a good job but sometimes I wish I had not bought a SATA notebook :-(

When I have some spare time I will post my latest investigations in the whole MTRR topic (I didn't found a solution yet, though). As far as suspend topic goes VinzC and Co. might help you better cause I didn't use suspend at all.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seppelrockt wrote:
amaroc wrote:
I'm currently using linux-2.6.13-suspend2-r4 sources because I like it stable ;-)

Even worse - I would NOT recommend you to switch to 2.6.14 or newer even if they become x86

Thanks for your reply. As suggested I will skip any investigation on the recently unmasked gentoo-sources-2.6.14-r2.
When reading some package.unmask listings here I get somehow the feeling that I have to wait for X.org 7.x becoming unmasked as well.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amaroc wrote:
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amaroc wrote:
I'm currently using linux-2.6.13-suspend2-r4 sources because I like it stable ;-)

Even worse - I would NOT recommend you to switch to 2.6.14 or newer even if they become x86

Thanks for your reply. As suggested I will skip any investigation on the recently unmasked gentoo-sources-2.6.14-r2.
When reading some package.unmask listings here I get somehow the feeling that I have to wait for X.org 7.x becoming unmasked as well.

Thanks.


I'm glad I could help :-) Regarding X.org-7 I can not report any problems so far, but it's a bit of work of cause ... You can use my list of packages for package.keywords (floating around in this thread I think) if you want to try it. This brings you a slim X.org, you have "the work done" for the future and no patches are needed.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seppelrockt wrote:
Regarding X.org-7 I can not report any problems so far, but it's a bit of work of cause ... You can use my list of packages for package.keywords (floating around in this thread I think) if you want to try it. This brings you a slim X.org, you have "the work done" for the future and no patches are needed.

Guess I'm too lazy to do the Xorg update right now. Xorg 6.8.99.15-r4 currently runs sufficient for me from X point of view. I can suspend2disk and watch dvd what seems to be the most critical applications for me. I don't care that glxgears reports only about 500 fps (otherwise I should have bought a different laptop ;-)
The lack of suspend2ram is still a little bit annoying because resume from disk takes about 30sec. Without having "ImageSizeLimit nocache" enabled it took sometimes more than 2 minutes but now the diskcache is empty and it slows down the rework w/ graphical applications after resume (mozilla, oo, yammi, etc.).

Btw -
seppelrockt wrote:
but sometimes I wish I had not bought a SATA notebook

I don't see any reason to regret that I've bought this notebook. Considering that I'm new to gentoo the installation was (almost) easy and the machine behaves more or less how I expected it to work. None of the laptops I've tested before could run linux for more than 4 hours with "normal" work from battery. In addition, all SuSE and debian variants I've tested in the past had some issues on these laptops.
Regarding the SATA i/f - I've got here more the 30MBytes/sec throughput for both read and write - by using a "buggy" - pardon - not optimized driver. Just this paramter outperforms my 3 years old desktop PC most ;-)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just adding my 2c. I didn't configure many laptops, just an IBM Thinkpad R40 and a Dell Inspiron (mine). If I had to vote for ease I would chose the Thinkpad. I didn't even have to use masked packages to have Gentoo suspend to disk, recognize everything aso. I can say installing Gentoo on it was a piece of cake compared against Dell's stuff. If you don't like hair loss don't try Dell's laptop (at least i6k) :-) .

Should I compare both laptops - considering Gentoo installation only - I'd say Dell's are more of a hazardous path. Thinkpads are a charm. Note this is expected as IBM claims for supporting Linux (mainly Red Had). Too bad Thinkpads usage is not so friendly as Dells.

IIRC juniper has succeeded in having suspend to RAM work properly. He's lurking in this forum I think.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi VinzC,
VinzC wrote:
I can say installing Gentoo on it was a piece of cake compared against Dell's stuff. If you don't like hair loss don't try Dell's laptop (at least i6k) :-) .
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Thinkpads are a charm. Note this is expected as IBM claims for supporting Linux (mainly Red Had). Too bad Thinkpads usage is not so friendly as Dells.

Mmmh, I don't think it's a question whether IBM or Dell-laptop. I guess most of the problems arise bcause of the new Sonoma chipset. I can confirm, that the tested IBM T42 worked almost perfect when using a kanotix-live-DVD - and I'm quite sure there would be no problem using gentoo as well. But this laptop is based on the mature Sonoma predecessor chipset and does not introduce all the SATA stuff that we are suffering from.

Back to the topic:
VinzC wrote:
IIRC juniper has succeeded in having suspend to RAM work properly. He's lurking in this forum I think.

Although I didn't want to test a newer kernel short term I've tried junipers way with vanilla sources (2.6.15_rc1) and some libata_patches from http://rtr.ca/dell_i9300/ and could get suspend2ram working in text-mode finally. But I had some problems with X and the touchpad. Anyway, the latest kernel seems to need only "some small" patches for the libata-stuff so I expect a "clean" solution is not so far away.
Because I don't want to upgrade X right now I will wait until I've got some more time to upgrade both kernel and X. I will report.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

amaroc wrote:

Mmmh, I don't think it's a question whether IBM or Dell-laptop. I guess most of the problems arise bcause of the new Sonoma chipset. I can confirm, that the tested IBM T42 worked almost perfect when using a kanotix-live-DVD - and I'm quite sure there would be no problem using gentoo as well. But this laptop is based on the mature Sonoma predecessor chipset and does not introduce all the SATA stuff that we are suffering from.


Exactly about this "theory" I discussed yesterday, when some IBM people showed their notebooks in my university. They had a T43 (based an latest Centrino platform) running SuSE 9.3. When I asked the promo guy about known issues with Linux, he told me there aren't any with this IBM nobo. Then I asked him how the IBM people managed to get anything working and he told me that this was because so many things in the notobook are IBM hardware - well, at this point I got the impression that it's realy just a promo guy running WinXP on his boxes at home ;-)

But I remember I read an article in a German magazin, that the SUSE IBM notebooks come with a package of plain SuSE CDs/DVDs + CD with special "drivers", e.g. a patched kernel I think. Maybe we can find an IBM user with new hardware how might provide some more infos about it. Would be great to use the patches etc they made on other boxes, too.

The new IBM Z60m is definitly a HOT maschine, I just need some more money to buy it ;-)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I am one of these guys who tried IBM hardware and I must agree with what your promo guy said. It's true - we can grant them such an assertion - that IBM hardware is really good. I wouldn't say best for I don't know everything and every single brand on the earth.

So far I've installed Gentoo on an IBM server (an xSeries) and I had absolutely no problem at all. I installed Gentoo on an IBM Thinkpad R40 and no problem at all. I mean *really* no trouble; not even the troubles like we all have configuring - you know - xorg, touchpad, mouse, usb, ohci/ehci/uhci aso. Installation was fluid just as though I had installed Gentoo all my life :).

I must recon IBM hardware is the best hardware I've had to use, configure and install. Note I haven't tried many, just a few brands like Dell, Compaq and IBM. Compaq is the worst server hardware between these three, not even with Linux (which I didn't bother installing because of numerous disappointments between Windoze and Compaq). Dell's smart enough indeed; there are some traps but it's not impossible with some patience. But with IBM it's been a real pleasure.

Given the difficulties I've had installing Window$ $$$$$erver on xSeries I expected at least some while installing Linux. There were absolutely none in fact. You should just open an IBM server and see how it's made inside. Brilliant.

Note: I'm not paid by IBM to say that ;) . I just don't like their laptops, that's all.

Further note: I don't want this post to be a flame war against hardware differences. I'm human. And humans have failures and opinions. So do I. Hence let's not forget the initial topic ;) .
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ VinzC: Yes I like the IBM notebooks, too hardware-wise. Especialy since the new Lenovo ones have inproved in screen quality and such _without_ loosing the old IBM qualities. But ones has to say that even IBM has better and not so good notebooks around (e.g. there 12" notebook is said to be very loud).

My point was that as long as they are based on the same Intel platform, there is no "special IBM hardware" that makes a SATA CD-ROM work on the IBM but not on Dell. This is instead done by careful integration (e.g. a sane BIOS - think on the LID bug un the Dell) and IBMs efforts to _support_ Linux on their laptops. And this IS (next to the hardware) a good reason to buy IBM/Lenovo laptops (I don't like the Lenovo flames at all).

But back to the topic: I plan to open a new thread to write a "Gentoo on Dell Inspiron 6000 HowTo V2" in the (near?) future. This new thread should ONLY consist of a step-by-step guide to install Gentoo on the I6k with all the things we found out in this 20+ pages thread.

I will wait some more weeks until the Xorg/kernel situation might have inproved a little (we are quite close, I hope) and then do a complete reinstall of my setup (while writing the steps down). I might ask some people for help on dedicated topics I didn't know about (e.g. suspend, ATI video card). Hopefully this will help new owners of the i6k to install Gentoo - I guess this thread here has grown to a monster in the last month.

FYI, I have basicaly the VGA out working on my I6k with this lines in my xorg.conf:
Code:

Section "Device"

# See manual page of i810 for details

  Identifier    "i915GM-0"
  Driver        "i810"
  BusID         "0:2:0"
  #VideoRam     65536
  #VideoRam     131072
  Option        "NoAccel" "false"
  Option        "DRI" "true"
  Option        "XVideo" "true"
  #Option       "VBERestore" "true"
  #Option       "MonitorLayout" "None,LFP"
  #Option       "DevicePresence" "true"

EndSection

Section "Device"

# See manual page of i810 for details

  Identifier    "i915GM-1"
  Driver        "i810"
  BusID         "0:2:1"
  #VideoRam     65536
  #VideoRam     131072
  Option        "NoAccel" "false"
  Option        "DRI" "true"
  Option        "XVideo" "true"
  #Option       "VBERestore" "true"
  #Option       "MonitorLayout" "None,CRT"
  Option        "DevicePresence" "true"
Section "Monitor"

  Identifier    "WXGA Display"
  Option        "DPMS" "true"

EndSection

Section "Monitor"

  Identifier    "External Monitor"
  #Option       "DPMS" "true"

EndSection

Section "Screen"

  Identifier    "DELL_TFT"
  Device        "i915GM-0"
  Monitor       "WXGA Display"
  DefaultDepth  24
  #Option       "NoMTRR"

EndSection

Section "Screen"

  Identifier    "VGA-OUT"
  Device        "i915GM-1"
  Monitor       "External Monitor"
  DefaultDepth  24
  #Option       "NoMTRR"

        SubSection "Display"

        Depth        24
        Modes        "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"

        EndSubSection

EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"

  Identifier    "Default Layout"
  Screen 0      "DELL_TFT"
  Screen 1      "VGA-OUT"
  InputDevice   "Keyboard" "CoreKeyboard"
  #InputDevice  "USB Mouse" "CorePointer"
  InputDevice   "Touchpad" "CorePointer"
  InputDevice   "USB Mouse" "AlwaysCore"

# Power-management option for the display (console mode)
  Option        "BlankTime" "5"
  Option        "StandbyTime" "10"
  Option        "SuspendTime" "15"
  Option        "OffTime" "20"

EndSection


This is of cause not a complete xorg.conf but only the relevant parts for VGA out. As you might have noticed I try to put as less lines into the xorg.conf as possible - xorg is quite good at getting the most infos from the hardware directly and "wrong" entries in the xorg will make things worse.

Back to VGA-out: I can switch between Laptop LCD, external monitor and "both" with Fn + F8. However I did not yet found out whether/how I can use different resolutions for both displays. So I first have to switch the Laptop to e.g. 1024x768 and then connect the external monitor (with the same resolution). I didn't play with xinerame stuff yet and probably won't in the future cause I don't need it. When anybody has ideas in how to improve the situation for clone mode, please tell us about ;-)

Furthermore I have reported this bug about SATA & cdparanoia and would be glad to have some featback from other i6k users. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:26 pm    Post subject: HDD noise Reply with quote

A new thread with just the tips and tricks would be great. Reading this topic has helped me resolve quite a few issues with my Inspiron 6000, but it takes some reading.

I seem to have hit the same issues as everyone else on here now, with the exception of graphics card problems. The one thing I have, and I haven't seen mentioned on here, is the HDD noise on shutdown. I know there are two threads about this elsewhere, but with this being the primary Dell Inspiron 6000 reference I thought it might be worth mentioning here.

First of all, it'd be nice to know if everyone experiences this. For a full breakdown of the problem, and solutions tried so far, see https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-394861-highlight-inspiron+6000.html.

In brief:
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When I shut down the laptop, when the hard drive finally loses power and spins down, I hear a brief whistle with an almost percussive edge. It has been doing this for a while, and the drive has never failed to function. It did not make the sound under Windows (which I have recently removed completely -- WOOHOO!). Any ideas what's going wrong at shutdown??

The thing is, I could shutdown in Windows (no sound), then boot Linux and shutdown again and the noise would happen. So I'm pretty sure the drive is healthy.


Just in case the disk type and model might have something to do with it: The spec I went for was fairly high end and included the free upgrade from 60gig to an ATA Fujitsu 80gig hard disk (MHV2080A).

If anyone has experienced this, have they found a way to stop it or have any suggestions? So far it seems that after unmounting the filesystem Gentoo remounts the root file system Read Only and its during this the disk powers down. Yes I know its very important this happens, but is it possible to delay the system a little before powering off?

Also: I know it was mentioned some time ago, but I finished my own version of the 'Power off LCD on LID_CLOSED' ACPI scripts to match the Gentoo Power Management Guide from the wiki. The one posted previously on here seems to reflect an older version of the scripts, and although it isn't hard to change them to match the new structure, it might save people some time if I post them when I get home.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wrong! Vanilla-sources-2.6.14.2 (stable on x86) work here like a sharm! I only had to do a make oldconfig from my config-2.6.12.5 and append libata.atapi_enabled=1 to the grub kernel boot line and everything is fine - no patches needed!

The only problem that remains is the freeze caused my cdparanoia.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

m0rd0 wrote:
When I shut down the laptop, when the hard drive finally loses power and spins down, I hear a brief whistle with an almost percussive edge. It has been doing this for a while, and the drive has never failed to function. It did not make the sound under Windows (which I have recently removed completely -- WOOHOO!). Any ideas what's going wrong at shutdown??

The thing is, I could shutdown in Windows (no sound), then boot Linux and shutdown again and the noise would happen. So I'm pretty sure the drive is healthy.

I might be wrong but I think it's the noise your hard disk does when it's going to park. In early times when computers were not that clever (;)) one had to park the disk before the computer could power down otherwise the disk could be damaged. Look, you had to type park on the command line (MSDOS of course)... [Don't shout at me for being old - computers were that popular only 10 years ago :p . ]

Parking makes the magnetic head go to a given sector that is safe for power down. Nowadays disks park automatically on power down.

My laptop also does such kind of noise (if I have understood you correctly). There is a slight whistle then a smooth, brief percussion, like a "wizzz ... cloc" noise. This is normal. I wonder why it doesn't occur with Winblowze. Maybe it has the head park elsewhere - IIRC there are two places to park: at the end or at the beginning of the disk, i.e. closest to or farthest from the spinning axis. In that case maybe one parking place produces more noise than the other?...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can somebody here tell me something about the secret of ripping a Audio CD on the i6k? Neither cdparanoia nor cdda2wav work here caused they don't find my CDROM drive :-( So please: EVERYBODY take his/her favorite CD and try to rip it! I need your help seriously!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:30 pm    Post subject: Parking - Past, Present, and Future Reply with quote

VinZc:

Yeah from your description it sounds like we've got the same thing. Thought it might be head parking but the fact it doesn't do this in Windows threw me a bit. It also seems to be pretty noisy, I'm not a regular user of laptops (Or in the Inspiron 6000's case a a portable desktop replacement) but i don't recall ever hearing a disk that noisy on shutdown. Ah well, I'll just make sure to take lots of back ups. At least with Dells modular design its easy to replace things.

Oh yeah, here's my modification of the ACPI lid code to match the new ACPI layout:

/etc/acpi/events/lid_event
Code:
# Laptop generated event: button
# See /var/log/acpid
event=button.*
action=/etc/acpi/actions/lid_action.sh %e


/etc/acpi/actions/lid_action
Code:
# File that contains status of lid
LID_STATE="/proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state"
LID_OPEN="open"
LID_CLOSED="closed"


if [[ "$(grep ${LID_OPEN} ${LID_STATE})" != "" ]]
then
  logger "Switching on Display"
  /usr/sbin/vbetool dpms on
elif [[ "$(grep ${LID_CLOSED} ${LID_STATE})" != "" ]]
then
  logger "Switching off Display"
  /usr/sbin/vbetool dpms off
fi


Seppelrockt : So far i've only managed that as root, not gotten around to making it work as a regular user yet. I'll be putting up a few questions for problems I can't resolve tomorrow. I'll post a fix if I can find one.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Parking - Past, Present, and Future Reply with quote

m0rd0 wrote:

Seppelrockt : So far i've only managed that as root, not gotten around to making it work as a regular user yet. I'll be putting up a few questions for problems I can't resolve tomorrow. I'll post a fix if I can find one.


Code:

~ # cdparanoia -vB
cdparanoia III release 9.8 (March 23, 2001)
(C) 2001 Monty <monty@xiph.org> and Xiphophorus

Report bugs to paranoia@xiph.org
http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/

Checking /dev/cdrom for cdrom...
        Testing /dev/cdrom for cooked ioctl() interface
                /dev/sr0 is not a cooked ioctl CDROM.
        Testing /dev/cdrom for SCSI interface
                generic device: /dev/sg1
                ioctl device: /dev/sr0

Found an accessible SCSI CDROM drive.
Looking at revision of the SG interface in use...
        SG interface version 3.5.33; OK.
                Drive is neither a CDROM nor a WORM device


Doesn't even work as root!

EDIT: I've tested the latest Ubuntu live CD and as far as I could say everything worked out of the box - even DRI with i810 and SATA CDROM and Suspend. Unfortunatly they have no option to put the Live CD into RAM so I couldn't evaluate my Audio CD problem.
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