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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:38 am    Post subject: iBook and Gentoo vs PC and Gentoo Reply with quote

Hi,

I have thought about purchasing a laptop in the summer. I, of course, would not in any circumstance run Windows on it, and most likely would use Gentoo. Some of the options I have thought about are :

iBook 12" + 512MB
+ small, really portable
+ cheap (around 1100 euro) for a 12" laptop with 512MB RAM and WLAN
+ I don't have to pay for some Windows XP Pro junk that can't be even sold
- only 1024x768
- ???? 3D acceleration ????
- ???? seems problematic ????


I really need info if I can use the 3D acceleration in Linux. After all, it is an ATi. I DEFINITELY need hardware OpenGL in Linux. Also, it seems that there are numerous problems with PPC Linux just by looking at this forum.

Pentium M + preferably nvidia or maybe ATi graphics
+ It is a PC, which I am familiar with
+ 3D accel in Linux and linux overall works well
+ bigger resolution
- bigger price, weight and size
- depending on the model, I might also have to pay for Windows

So, if anybody can give me a hint in one direction or the other, I would appreciate it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, you won't get WLAN. Airport extreme can't work with linux.

Then, I don't really know why you think the ibooks are problematic under linux. Mine is not. Accelerated OpenGL works just fine, but this is using the bundeled XOrg radeon driver, which performance is no where near what you can excpect when using ATI's or nvidia's proprietary/binary drivers (which of course, don't exist for PPC). Then again, it all depends on why you want OpenGL, since most games anyway require an x86 or amd64 processor.

I'm a great fan of ibook+linux, as I find that everything just works out of the box. If the amount of messages on this forum makes you think the ibook is problematic under Linux, then NEVER go read the other forums, as you would never buy any computer at all ;)

Using a different architecture than x86, you won't get flash plugin either. I never missed that one, but maybe you would (yeah, oddly, some people can't live without flash...)

Hum... This is about everything I'm thinking about right now. If you have more questions/doubts.. Just ask.

EDIT: Oh, I forgot. When you buy a PPC laptop, it comes with OSX. Who knows, maybe you'll like that ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This probably won't help very much, since each person has different needs. Anyway, I had a -very- similar dillema last summer, and I chose the 12" ibook with 512 RAM...It's the most satisfying piece of hardware I have ever used (really amazing), and runs Gentoo like a breeze. The only things that haven't been working are the Airport Express (still doesn't) and the sleep, but that is now working very nicely. Running OSX within Linux when I need it makes it even yummier. With macs being so much narrower in hardware specs, it's very easy to wget people's working config files for pretty much anything (kernel, xorg, pbbuttons, etc) so I've actually had less trouble making it work than with my desktop PC.

Good luck with whichever option you choose in the end though! Like I said, my needs were quite specific and I'm sure yours are different.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, WLAN surely is important for me. Sad if it doesnt work. After all, I want the 12" because of the great portability and lacking of WLAN doesn't help in that.

I do lots of OpenGL programming, and would also do that a lot on this laptop so OpenGL accel is a definite requirement. What about your speed in glxgears kayali?

Also, I have around a half year of experience with AMD64 and it works well for me - and the AMD64 forum looks a lot less problematic to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. I found a viable PC alternative for the ibook. I think I'm going for it, mostly because of the WLAN.

http://www.tietoasema.fi/eshop/?sid=1&cid=10&gid=180&sgid=&vid=85&pcode=D-CODE223II0DVDDUALK1&whid=

It is in Finnish, but, basically, it's an PC laptop with a Pentium M 1,6GHz CPU, 512MB RAM, 40GB HDD, Intel Extreme Graphics 2, 54Mbps WLAN which works with the IPW2200 driver, DVD-RW, a 5.5 hour battery and a slightly better resolution than the ibook for approximately the same price. I only wish it would be as beautiful and elegant as the apple one ;( Also, iBook would probably have faster 3D accel in Linux.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the same situation, and I'm going to get the 14" ibook (once it's updated).
I can live without the airport extreme in linux, and afaik the work on the driver is proceeding and isnt more than a year or so away.

Hopefuly the updated ibook will have a better resolution, also I think it will be fun to get into the mac world.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So some update is coming ? Lets see about that... it might change my decision too. After all, I'm not purchasing the laptop until mid-June.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
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