Gentoo Forums
Gentoo Forums
Gentoo Forums
Quick Search: in
What's your opinion on Gentoo Binaries?
View unanswered posts
View posts from last 24 hours

 
Reply to topic    Gentoo Forums Forum Index Duplicate Threads
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
brianahr
Apprentice
Apprentice


Joined: 07 Oct 2004
Posts: 236
Location: USA

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:40 pm    Post subject: What's your opinion on Gentoo Binaries? Reply with quote

I'll probably get flamed for this, but thought I'd put this forward anyway. Being a programmer and linux enthusiast, I switched to Gentoo after trying out, well, literally every other major distro. And undoubtedly, this is the distro thats been on my machine the longest. Emerge/Portage really makes this distro great, and I prefer to compile the majority of the appications myself. But, I think one reason a lot of people hesitate to move to this distro is because there arent (many) binaries available. After all, Linux is about choice right? And after recently coming across numerous sites like GentooUser, GentooPortage, GentooStats, etc, I'm curious as to why a site like "GentooBinaries" doesnt exist. I had a friend recently switch from gentoo to debian because when he needed something for his classes, like verilog, it would take 20 or 30 minutes to compile, where as on debian, it takes you 2 or 3 to just download the binary. (Not that I'm a debian fan...) Portage is obviously mature enough, and well written to accept both source and binary packages. What I'm getting at is, if a site like GentooBinaries did exist, and the community could build and submit packages, would anyone participate? What is the community's opinion? Comments/Suggestions/Flames all welcome ;-)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
monkey89
Guru
Guru


Joined: 08 Mar 2004
Posts: 596

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's the GRP CD which has many common binaries, the DVD which has pretty much everything (except games) available in the gentoo store, and there's now some commercial offering in beta testing at http://www.gen-ux.com/index.php .

Your mileage may vary with the last one though, not much is known about it. Frankly, I personally wouldn't trust anything where I didn't know how it was built and who built it.

And while binaries may lead to faster installations, it also can be very annoying where only source builds and USE flags will suffice. For example, something like mplayer or apache is highly dependent on what the user wants and therefore each has many USE flags. Therefore, binary packages of them rarely do everything the user wants and nothing the user doesn't want, which can result in extra unnecessary dependencies.

I know certain developers really detest packages. Again, its up to you. For basic packages like X and some window managers, download the GRP CD, loop mount it, and set PKGDIR to it. Big packages generally have binaries - openoffice-bin, firefox-bin, etc.

-Monkey
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Voltago
Advocate
Advocate


Joined: 02 Sep 2003
Posts: 2584
Location: userland

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gentoo with binary packages... um... uh... Debian?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Carlo
Developer
Developer


Joined: 12 Aug 2002
Posts: 3356

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

forget it
_________________
Please make sure that you have searched for an answer to a question after reading all the relevant docs.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
fuji
Tux's lil' helper
Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 26 Apr 2002
Posts: 111

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Binaries would be great for packages that have no USE-flags. The only reason I put up with these horribly long compile times is because I love use-flags. I would never use a PHP binary, or a mplayer binary. Obviously those two programs are extreme examples, but that's the main reason why a binary repository will never be popular with me.

It would be nice for others I guess, but most of the large packages (firefox, OOo) have their own binary packages.
_________________
Came for the hype, stayed for Portage.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dol-sen
Developer
Developer


Joined: 30 Jun 2002
Posts: 2803
Location: Richmond, BC, Canada

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually there are devs working on improving the binary support of portage. There is mail on the portage-dev list today about it. Apparently the dependency tracking/satisfying is not complete enough on the binary side yet to keep from breaking a system that frequently gets outsourced binaries.

You may yet get your wish for readymade binaries for gentoo systems.
_________________
Brian
Porthole, the Portage GUI frontend irc@freenode: #gentoo-guis, #porthole, Blog
layman, gentoolkit, CoreBuilder, esearch...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Omega21
l33t
l33t


Joined: 14 Feb 2004
Posts: 788
Location: Canada (brrr. Its cold up here)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a fast computer, and dont reaaaaly need optimization from compiles, I say go for it!
_________________
iMac G4 1GHz :: q6600 //2x 500GB//2GB RAM//8600GT//Gentoo :: MacBook Pro//2.53GHz
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
codergeek42
Bodhisattva
Bodhisattva


Joined: 05 Apr 2004
Posts: 5142
Location: Anaheim, CA (USA)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voltago wrote:
Gentoo with binary packages... um... uh... Debian?
You took the words from my mouth,
_________________
~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
Who am I? :: EFF & FSF
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Goalie_Ca
Apprentice
Apprentice


Joined: 13 Jan 2003
Posts: 156
Location: Vancouver,B.C

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you went with too many binaries then you would have to build for all the use flags and architectures which is very unlikely. If you didn't... well then you'd have something similar to debian. Something like ubuntu or others.

I really agree with openoffice binaries, etc. because those are large packages. The grp install are quite nice too.
_________________
Jabber: goalieca[AT]jabber.fr
Beautiful Vancouver, B.C.
http://www.sfu.ca/~rdickie/images/sig_small.jpg
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Lokheed
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Posts: 1295
Location: /usr/src/linux

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voltago wrote:
Gentoo with binary packages... um... uh... Debian?


Yeah or Ubuntu. There are enough binary distros out there. Gentoo's power is to compile using USE flags, whats a solution for that? 23 different binaries of Mplayer? Once you take away USE flags, you might as well just use one of the other distros that are already laid out for binaries...

I see no point in wasting limited resources on working with binaries...
_________________
You're not afraid of the dark are you?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
brianahr
Apprentice
Apprentice


Joined: 07 Oct 2004
Posts: 236
Location: USA

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:05 am    Post subject: USE flags Reply with quote

Well, thats a good point. I hadn't really considered USE flags. I totally agree with there already being enough binary distros though. Personally, I dont mind waiting for everything to compile (even though this is on my laptop) , although it is the #1 complaint I hear from non-gentoo users.

BTW, Do the GRP packages work fairly well? I Haven't ever used them. I'd be concerned about those little issues that often come up in a binary distro though. You know, you go to set the time on the clock and the applet doesnt work or something...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kimchi_sg
Advocate
Advocate


Joined: 26 Nov 2004
Posts: 2915
Location: Singapore

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: USE flags Reply with quote

brianahr wrote:
BTW, Do the GRP packages work fairly well? I Haven't ever used them. I'd be concerned about those little issues that often come up in a binary distro though. You know, you go to set the time on the clock and the applet doesnt work or something...

These issues are totally not present in GRP, as you can only use them during an networkless Stage 3 installation. Once the system has network access and emerge --sync updates the Portage tree, Portage will see that the binary GRP packages are outdated and try to download / compile newer versions instead.
_________________
Murphy's Law of Gentoo installation: If a compile can fail, it will.

MacGillicuddy's Corollary: At the most inopportune time.

Please search and read the FAQs before posting.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
egberts
Guru
Guru


Joined: 04 Nov 2003
Posts: 338
Location: Dimmed Cathode Ray Tube

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:17 am    Post subject: Gentoo Binaries, forget it Reply with quote

One can go to Debian just for all-binaries solution.

Purpose of Gentoo is highly-customization through the use of USE flags.

This way, the end-user can enjoy the satisfaction of an uber-tweaked CPU.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Omega21
l33t
l33t


Joined: 14 Feb 2004
Posts: 788
Location: Canada (brrr. Its cold up here)

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

codergeek42 wrote:
Voltago wrote:
Gentoo with binary packages... um... uh... Debian?
You took the words from my mouth,


lol, but keep in mind that we wouldnt be on complete binary use. Its just for those with low processors who dont want to compile anything. :)
_________________
iMac G4 1GHz :: q6600 //2x 500GB//2GB RAM//8600GT//Gentoo :: MacBook Pro//2.53GHz
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
racoontje
Veteran
Veteran


Joined: 19 Jul 2004
Posts: 1290

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

portage > apt.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
lghman
Guru
Guru


Joined: 29 Nov 2002
Posts: 548
Location: Florida

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carlo wrote:
forget it

Ditto!

--sonik
_________________
"What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of a child and the feeble mentality of the average adult" --Freud
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
pjp
Administrator
Administrator


Joined: 16 Apr 2002
Posts: 17862

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something about this topic and ad nauseam comes to mind.
_________________

Believing I had supernatural powers I slammed into a brick wall.
I said hey, is this my problem? Is this my fault?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Gentoo Forums Forum Index Duplicate Threads All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum