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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:25 am    Post subject: Hello Need some help with my old school Mac clone Reply with quote

Hi all I want to install Linux on my old school Mac clone a Umax C600. I need some help though. I believe I need to paritition my HDD in my clone for linux before hand also I need to use BootX or Quik can anyone help me here?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you'll need to use bootx or quik. You should be able to follow the instructions in the install guide for Old World machines. If you don't have a working copy of MacOS on the computer, you can try using Debian boot disks to boot and install from that environment.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoseJX wrote:
Yes, you'll need to use bootx or quik. You should be able to follow the instructions in the install guide for Old World machines. If you don't have a working copy of MacOS on the computer, you can try using Debian boot disks to boot and install from that environment.

Good luck!

Can you provide a link for these boot disks? I'm a bit lost in the linux world ok I'm lost.
thanks for your help, also do these disks need to boot into mac OS cause my mac OS is sorta broken so it freezes when it gets to the desktop.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll want to boot from your Mac OS cd, repartition your harddrive into one small (>200MB <500MB) Mac OS partition, and a partition for root and one for swap.

So three partitions total. You'll want to install Mac OS on the _first_ one and install BootX in Mac OS. Grab a CD from Metadistribution.org for PPC, and burn it.
Copy the G3 kernel on the CD to your System Folder/Linux Kernels/ folder (you have make it). Copy the initrd.gz to your system folder as well.

Search the forums for 'BootX' for more info (I forget the specifics). You'll have to open the yaboot.conf on the cd and figure out what kernel arguments are being used to boot new world machines, and paste them into BootX and try to get your machine to boot from the CD. This may be a very frustrating process, although my hint about pasting kernel args into BootX will save you much time, frustration, and blank CDs. You may have to use an older distro, like 2004.2 or something.

Hope this helps, good luck!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry my mac OS 8.1 os has been fubared by me. I'll have to go the debian way to get gentoo on it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:34 am    Post subject: have no fear Reply with quote

I too have ventured into oldworld linux land. And oldworld architecture doesn't seem to like linux boot disks. Although I found yellow dog linux 3 to be first class in this area. However, yellow dog linux 4 no longer supports oldworld with their new release. But I had no problem following the standard ppc installation manual from inside a gnome-terminal within yellowdoglinux 3 (some of the utilities you need aren't in the standard path and you'll have to call them directly i.e. /sbin/fdisk). But after a little bit of work now I have a wonderful gentoo ppc machine that is bleeding edge updateable, and well worth the effort. Don't worry too much about which distro will boot on your mac, just find one that DOES. Play with that distro for abit, then bust out the gentoo handbook
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-ppc.xml
and put a real OS on it!

BTW - Unless you can get quik working you are going to need a working classic mac os (8.x-9.x I think). And I've never actually seen quik work, but I hear it is nothing short of spectacular if you do. So find some system disks ( I am unsure if anyone still sells any of these, but ebay would be a good bet).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: have no fear Reply with quote

th0th696 wrote:
I too have ventured into oldworld linux land. And oldworld architecture doesn't seem to like linux boot disks. Although I found yellow dog linux 3 to be first class in this area. However, yellow dog linux 4 no longer supports oldworld with their new release. But I had no problem following the standard ppc installation manual from inside a gnome-terminal within yellowdoglinux 3 (some of the utilities you need aren't in the standard path and you'll have to call them directly i.e. /sbin/fdisk). But after a little bit of work now I have a wonderful gentoo ppc machine that is bleeding edge updateable, and well worth the effort. Don't worry too much about which distro will boot on your mac, just find one that DOES. Play with that distro for abit, then bust out the gentoo handbook
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-ppc.xml
and put a real OS on it!

BTW - Unless you can get quik working you are going to need a working classic mac os (8.x-9.x I think). And I've never actually seen quik work, but I hear it is nothing short of spectacular if you do. So find some system disks ( I am unsure if anyone still sells any of these, but ebay would be a good bet).

lol real OS lol w\e you say

right now I'm having alot of problems if anybody has installed any linux distro on a umax c600 with quik here would you come forward and tell me what settings for OF you used? thanks

BTW- i'm not going back to Mac OS deffo not.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject: on mac os Reply with quote

You don't have to go back to mac OS, it just needs to exist so the machine boots easily. Of course if you get quik working then you are golden. But bootx is so much easier to use, and when you have linux up and running mol (mac-on-linux) can run your mac os kind of like the way virtual pc runs a pc for you (except no emulation). I really think you should attempt getting quik runnning AFTER you have gotten everything else working, but that is merely my silly opinion.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want macOS on it at all. I believe I've figured out why debian won't boot now! Victory will be mine.
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