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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:15 pm    Post subject: Your stance on Macromedia Flash Reply with quote

I am currently using the 7.0.25 netscape-flash package (~x86) and I'm still not happy.

It totally sucks. We don't get director support, we have to put up with ugly menus (GTK please), the player steals mouse and keyboard events (scrolling down a webpage and if your cursor hits a flash movie it will stop scrolling), the font support seems to suck, too (www.audiojelly.co.uk - try looking at the dynamic text fields).

And to top it off, the video plays faster than the audio meaning that eventually it goes out of sync. It's not as bad as it is in version 6 but it is still there, and still ruining Strongbad.

I am tempted to get it the fuck uninstalled so I don't add to the figure of flash users anymore, but I'll sure miss strongbad. :(

How is everyone else's experience with flash player for linux?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, at least you have anything to look at. Flash just doesn't work at all with a 64 bit Firefox install. Someone, please tell me they've fixed it!

I'm annoyed that so many companies give us shoddy support. Talk to anyone that's had to struggle to get 3D working with an ATI card. It's not fun! I appreciate that these companies are trying, but it's hard not to be cynical. Especially not when it appears that they only give us as much support as it will take to shut us up.

Sorry for the rant, but this has been bugging me quite a bit lately.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the last post. It's absolutely ridiculous that they can't provide a 64 bit version.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well frankly I thought Flash was very hip 5 years ago but nowadays is much more of a nuisance than anything else. If I didn't have it I doubt I would miss it, pages with flash movies take longer to load, the plugin is buggy, the movies are annoying etc. Not to mention that flash based advertising is a lot more intrusive than good old ad banners.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell that to websites that won't even let you try to navigate without a flash plugin. Old fashioned plugin detection engines will fail every time.

Flash has become established as a quick and dirty way to make a website look exactly how you want it, even if it is then, by definition, inaccessible, impossible to bookmark, and time consuming to navigate.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I despise it.

It's non-Free, and it degrades the quality and accessibility of the WWW and the information contained therein.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diastelo wrote:
Hey, at least you have anything to look at. Flash just doesn't work at all with a 64 bit Firefox install. Someone, please tell me they've fixed it!

Exactly. Ah well, if a website demands flash, I simply don't visit it again. :)

Moved from Multimedia.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's rather hard to organize a flash boycott since the plugin is available for free. Sadly, nothing says that Macromedia has to care about a market in which they don't sell MX Studio.

I think this is a shame, because Macromedia has been good about supporting open standards in the past. Few WYSIWYG editors do such a good job producing HTML as Dreamweaver. You'd think it wouldn't be much of a jump from open standards to open source, but once again, this proves that corporations will put profit over reputation.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diastelo wrote:
Tell that to websites that won't even let you try to navigate without a flash plugin. Old fashioned plugin detection engines will fail every time.

Flash has become established as a quick and dirty way to make a website look exactly how you want it, even if it is then, by definition, inaccessible, impossible to bookmark, and time consuming to navigate.


Thankfully then, I don't come across many such websites.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-310197.html
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-186434.html
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anior wrote:
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-310197.html
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-186434.html

In that case, dupefied. :)
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