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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:27 pm    Post subject: CMD646 Chipset support Reply with quote

I have come to realise that Imy G4 will not work unless Gentoo utilises the CMD64x driver.

Is this going to happen anytime soon? :)

I noticed this post from mid-2003 which addresses the problem :

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-60523-highlight-cmd64x.html

Apparently I can download an rc6 livecd to get it working (cant find it!)

or could someone point me in the right direction to downloading the driver so that i can install it

many thanks
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i will take that as a no then!

what is the point in telling people you support a particular architechture if in actual fact you dont

i have spent so much time trying to get your product to work because you say it will - quite simply it doesnt

it turns out to be a simple issue which has gone unaddressed for some considerable time as i have pointed out in the initial post - why no inclusion of the cmd64x support which certain powermacs use

i havent even been afforded an answer to this post letting me know either way so i can decide to move on and select another product

bearing this in mind:

"Gentoo still continues to grow, evolve and improve itself - new projects are added, new developers are joining, new packages are added every day. The Gentoo developer and user community is undoubtedly Gentoo's strongest value."

- i am very disappointed.

:(

I am sorry for sounding off and spitting my dummy out but it is very frustrating being a noobie knowing that you have followed all the instructions to the letter only to find out that it was all in vain as it was never going to work.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry that I couldn't respond immediately, I've been busy packing since I'm moving from Australia to the US tomorrow.

I looked into the reason why we didn't supply the CMD64x driver with the LiveCD (I told you twice previously that I wasn't sure it was included) and the reason was that the driver didn't compile correctly. It requires macros that are not available in the PPC kernel any longer. The decision was made to simply not include the driver as it was an upstream issue. One of the PPC devs has created a bug for your problem: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87665.

If you can find a 1.4 LiveCD, the driver should be included and you should be able to install a 2005.0 base system using a stage from the internet. Not all mirrors still keep this ISO around, so your luck may vary. If you can get any Linux distro to boot, you can install Gentoo from that environment as well.

Sorry you're dissapointed.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey JoseJX

Thanks for the info and sorry for the moan :oops:

I am in the process of downloading the Ubuntu iso to boot from. I assume that i can just partition the disk with that and then swap cds continue as normal.

Thanks

Martin

Good luck with the move - think I would rather be going the otherway round to be honest. New job in the States?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok

i downloaded ubuntu to get around the lack of gentoo support for my powerpc and decided to just go ahead and install it - everything works though time will tell if it is the right package for me

i really do think you guys should provide a mention closer to the start of your service notifying people that you only support some and not all of the powerpc range, specifically the lack of a cmd64x driver, and provide them with your workaround. this solution appears to be that you go and download another distro to boot from and then install ours. you will find however that people will probably just download another distro and continue using it. which would be a shame.

many thanks to everyone for their help and time over the last few days and good luck with gentoo

martin
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry but I have to rant. This is an open source project meaning that it isn't supported like say Windows XP. If you can't figure it out or find a way around something you are at the mercy of the devs/power users to help you. They are not your slaves working night and day to satisfy your needs. Don't like the driver...code your own. Can't go with something else and stop acting like a selfish child.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Err

I dont think you comprehend Kaamoss

There is a clear issue with the cmd64x driver that was raised mid-2003. It isn't a problem that "slaves working night and day to satisfy" my neeeds did not include it. It is a problem however when the customer/user is not informed. That is the only problem here. And as far as being at the "mercy of the devs/power users to help" me is concerned, if that is the attitude in the Gentoo community then I would rather not endure it. However, considering the very useful replies, help and comments that have been put forward I believe this community to be very helpful indeed. And if I could write my own drivers et al then I wouldn't be here in the first place. I think you missed my point entirely with your "rant" but thats your own doing - I believe I made myself perfectly clear what my gripe was from the outset.

"Can't go with something else and stop acting like a selfish child."


I am sorry but I do not understand that statement - it sounds like some Cure lyrics (Boys don't cry perhaps) but I could be wrong.

Oh, and relax - it's only life mate. (hypocrisy?!)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry, There was supposed to be a comma there. Can't, go with something else. Can't, refering to being able to make your own hack. It is a clear issue which effects a small amount of people, and inless one of those people who is interested does something constructive for the community, there won't be support...get over it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, it would then read :

"Can't, go with something else and stop acting like a selfish child."

You should have used a question mark instead of a comma but that is irrelevant I suppose.

So now it makes sense.

Instead of at least trying to understand the point I raised you are in fact acting like a child (in total contrast to the tone of the initial posts which were made might I add) and telling people to p*ss off on behalf of the Gentoo community.

How many days have you been registered here?

And now I shall put it as simply as I can in order that you may understand the problem :

In any project, including open source projects, inform people of known issues.

I just kindly pointed out that the cmd64x issue should be brought the attention of users early on.

It has nothing to do with how many people the problem effects[sic].

"inless one of those people who is interested does something constructive for the community, there won't be support"

Again I need some help deciphering this im afraid. Are you trying to say "if you dont scrub my back i sure as hell aint scrubbing yours" - if so I recommend you get out more, socialise, be happy and learn to love!

"...get over it."

I did - you posted the "rant" remember?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a workaround, I've provided the driver for this chipset in a module available from my dev space:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~josejx/cmd64x.ko.bz2. You should be able to boot, download the module, insmod it, and proceed with your installation as usual.

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I was just looking for it the other day, here's a link to a mirror that has the old releases, including PPC 1.4

http://gentoo.chem.wisc.edu/gentoo/releases/historical/ppc/
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