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Would you want a package manager available for Gentoo?
Yes I'd like that
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No, I'd rather take a cold rod in the ass
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Hmm... Maybe
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:27 pm    Post subject: possible package manager for gentoo Reply with quote

Recently I decided to test out a new distro... the debian based distro Ubuntu. I realy love gentoo but my friend insisted i try. anyways.... On ubuntu they have a package manager called Synaptic which handles all the packages in a nice friendly GUI.

I don't mind using strictly "emerge -p blah_blah" I was wondering if there would ever be the possiblity of a package manager such as Synaptic for gentoo. A package manager would make the intro to Portage extremely easy. and in the GUI you could have options for editing USE flags and other option like that right in the GUI... Does anyone agree with me that this could be a nice feature. Or am I gonna get flamed for even suggesting it :-D Well i was just wondering what the gentoo community thought.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or am I gonna get flamed for even suggesting it Very Happy Well i was just wondering what the gentoo community thought.

If anything you'll get flamed for sheer stupidity. Maybe it's just ignorance, I'll be nice.

A package manager isn't (necessarily) a GUI, it's a package manager. Symaptic is a GUI for apt-get. Gentoo has a package manager, maybe you've heard of it? Portage, it's called.

Portage does happen to have a GUI frontend, it's called Porthole.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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possiblity of a package manager such as Synaptic for gentoo

I said a GUI not a way to get packages damn dude you must be mega n00b or somthing. and i never said it was necessary. Just a possibilty. BTW i know synaptic was a package manager for apt-get i was just using that as an example. geeze.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OOZafle: Man I don't know if you really use Gentoo or have ever installed it. I just doubt it from the stupid poll.:wink:
And BTW, porthole is the GUI anyways don't blame the other for being a super n00b since you asked the dumbest question.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I'm a mega-n00b because I can't understand some dick when he thinks I'm psychic.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's kpackage, guitoo, kentoo, and kuroo if you're using kde.
Or portagemaster is a java client.

Granted, I just seached to find these, and I have no idea how well any of them work.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok i drop the thread. NO ONE RESPOND!!! yeah i've installed it atleast 6 times. i've used it since the 2004.1 disc and i'm using 64bit linux. By the thread i meant as like a default GUI for portage as instead of having to type emerge every time you could have a GUI opened and select what you want..... man i remember a day when this forum was full of people with encouragement..maybe this guy is right https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-321701.html
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By default - Gentoo Linux doesn't have a GUI. A bit silly, your idea, isn't it? And that's really completely aside the fact that the philosophy of Gentoo is to not really have any preset default.

Congratulations on using Gentoo64, though. That totally makes you a non-mega-n00b.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cannot understand your question: gentoo has already a package manager.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi OOZafle, I understand what you are saying.

Thank you for your question. Gentoo is about choice, and there are a number of gui front ends for portage:

Portagemaster is probably the original and is written in Java
Guitoo which is QT based
Porthole which is GTK based
Kentoo for KDE
Kuroo also for KDE

please have a look under /usr/portage/app-portage for lots of portage related apps.

Or you could check out this link:
http://www.gentoo-portage.com/s?search=app-portage

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a default gui means a default X and god knows what other dependances installed, i dont think it would hurt to mention the frontend in the manual but gentoo has never been about defaults, you are expected to know what you want to achieve and search for a way to do it. this is the reason i dont recomend gentoo to newbies, not the "hard install" but the limited vision they have coming from windows where if they were moving from bloatware like suse at least they know what they want to install.


Surtsey a 64bit install is a piece of piss, if you can install 32bit you can go 64bit just with slightly less packages available.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ewan.paton wrote:
Surtsey a 64bit install is a piece of piss, if you can install 32bit you can go 64bit just with slightly less packages available.


How couldn't you tell that was utter sarcasm?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Package manager manages packages. It's stupid, I know, but It's a start. So, rpm/{yum,apt-rpm}, portage and dpkg/apt (which comes with Ubuntu, since it's a debian based distro). Portage is also a package ditribution and automatic maker of packages. The package manager manages which files comes with each package, how they are installed, removed and updated. A package ditribuition tool is a tool that goes to the right place to get the package you need. An automatic maker of packages is a tool to compile packages whithout human intervention.

2. Synaptic, and kynaptic for kde, are GUI Front Ends to the dpkg/apt package manager. The people above lited a lot of GUI front Ends to the Portage Package Management Tool.

Is this what you need?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ewan.paton wrote:
a default gui means a default X and god knows what other dependances installed


One can build a curses based gui, and everyone can have it without a X installation.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry i forgot about the gentoo being about choices thing...,. I guess i should have asked out right and just said "hey are there any package managers?" but I didn't... thanks for the responses. and Surtsey your a dick. ;-)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the point here is that you don't mean package managers, but graphical package selectors which is a completely different thing. Terminology can really bite you sometimes.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OOZafle wrote:
sorry i forgot about the gentoo being about choices thing...,. I guess i should have asked out right and just said "hey are there any package managers?" but I didn't... thanks for the responses. and Surtsey your a dick. ;-)


actually you should have asked "are there any gui frontends for portage?" :P

but you have your answers.. and in future try not to get caught up in bitch fights... it doesn't serve anything except fill up the forums with crap ;)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OOZafle wrote:
damn dude you must be mega n00b or somthing


Surtsey wrote:
Yeah I'm a mega-n00b because I can't understand some dick when he thinks I'm psychic.


OOZafle wrote:
Surtsey your a dick. :wink:


We've got a simple guideline which says that you get banned if you call people names.

Moving to dupes as there are many other topics about Portage GUIs (and also package managers or differences between Debian and Gentoo)
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