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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:55 am    Post subject: New to ppc systems... looking for just a bit of direction Reply with quote

Hey all
I aquiered my first MAC system.
Now, don't laugh :) .... its a 350MHz, iMAC. I'm almost positive its this one:
http://lowendmac.com/imacs/blue.shtml
384MB (I upped it from 256)
7GB Drive
(Currently compiling its heart out... doing a stage 1install - putting together a little personal use webserver, ftp server,
ssh machine - just to play around with and have fun/learn.)

Now, on to my questions:
#1 - So I booted to Gentoo 2005.0 ppc boot CD. Following the install directions, when I checked the time,
it was set to back in 1980. So I changed it. What worries me, is if I ever turn it off, the date will reset to 1980,
then all the timestamps will be screwed up and it won't boot. So.... am I thinking right? is there a trick/resolution
to this issue ? Or can I have it sync the time on boot up? (But I'm thinking the boot manager checks time stamps,
doesn't it?)

#2 - I downloaded the stage1 file from a mirror site. Now I tried this a number of times, with the same result. After
doing a md5sum check on the stage1 file, it outputted some ASCII, failed, and everything on the screen and my key
strokes were in ascii. (rebooted) So I tried a different mirror, same result. Tried the stage1 file from the CD, same
result.... so I just skipped the md5sum check, and continued on. Up to now, I have noticed no problems or errors.
Thoughts?

Any tips and or ideas on my questions or anything else I should know about this machine are welome.
Thanks a lot,
-tw

[EDITED] I should say I am in NO hurry to get this up and running - this is a playing/learning experience for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you booted into OS 9/X with this? Did the time work there? If not, then your battery is certainly dead... which is a fairly common thing. When I was a mac tech I probably replaced over a hundred of them.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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then your battery is certainly dead

OK - thats kinda what I was speculating.. but wasn't for sure. When I got it the HDD was blank. I did see
it running the installer (booted to the CD) of I think it was OS X, but I didn't check the time/date.

So....... Once the battery is replaced, will 'date' set the time for the unit, or do I need to boot to a MAC OS cd?
(sorry for the basic sounding question... I'm a fish out of water with this one)

Thanks so far
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll second that about the batteries, they die too quickly. Anyway, it's perfectly fine to boot with the date set wrong, I have an 8500/180 that hasn't got a working battery and it boots fine, I just have it set the date on startup with ntpd. The 'date' command will also work as expected. Besides having a different bootloader and kernel configurations, linux/ppc isn't all that much different from linux on other arches. :)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if you let the battery go long enough, it might not turn on at all... I know that was the case with old macs, but I'm not sure about the imac. I'd go ahead and replace it.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoseJX & everyone else - thanks for the info so far.

JoseJX said:
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Besides having a different bootloader and kernel configurations, linux/ppc isn't all that much different from linux on other arches. :)

I was hoping/had figured that was the case, but nice to know for sure.

Well, After 12+ hours, stage 1 is done, now on to stage 2. Thats should give me an estimated 2 1/2 days to read
up on configuring linux/ppc before I have to do anything else. :)

I'll go through the Gentoo PPC FAQ again... man, I hope this project works out.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice :). I'm sure it'll work out fine... those old imacs are great. Ya know they bounce if you drop 'em? I knocked one off of a stool one time, didn't harm a thing! The case had a small crack in it, but she chugged along just fine afterwards.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 12:18 am    Post subject: Re: New to ppc systems... looking for just a bit of directio Reply with quote

tw001_tw wrote:
Hey all
I aquiered my first MAC system.
Now, don't laugh :) .... its a 350MHz, iMAC. I'm almost positive its this one:
http://lowendmac.com/imacs/blue.shtml
384MB (I upped it from 256)
7GB Drive

Actually, it's not that bad, 350megz is fine, don't read to much in clock speed, don't mean much, and don't compare them to any other arch(x86 mainly).

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Nice :). I'm sure it'll work out fine... those old imacs are great. Ya know they bounce if you drop 'em? I knocked one off of a stool one time, didn't harm a thing! The case had a small crack in it, but she chugged along just fine afterwards.

There's built "Apple Tough".:lol:
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2005 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok folks - I'm on my second attempt at a stage 1 - both times while doing the "emerge --emptrytree system" after
some period of time, It stops with an error 2.

The first time I chalked it up to using " ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~ppc" " in my make.conf inorder to get the newest
system I could. I played around a few days trying to resolve it, but ended up starting over (and I let it sit there for some
time waiting to get back around to working on it) .

This time (2nd time) I didn't do anything fancy at all in my make.conf . Error 2. :(

I neglected (out of frustration) to write down the exact error, I did a " emerge --sync " ( again) and then started the
"emerge --emptrytree system" again - just hoping for the best. Not really looking for help, just ranting and keeping my
post regarding my install up-to-date. If I get anather Error 2, I'll post it - maybe theres a quick fix I'm unaware of.

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It happened again - here is the error message:

Code:

eabi.S:255 Error: operand out of range (6 is not between 0 and 1)
eabi.S:255 Error: missing operand
make[2]: **** [libgcc/./rsbi.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory '/var/tmp/poartage/libstdc++-v3-3.3.4/work/build/gcc'
make[1]: **** [smtp-multilib] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory '/var/tmp/poartage/libstdc++-v3-3.3.4/work/build/gcc'
make: **** [all-gcc]  Error 2

!!!! ERROR: sys-libs/libstdc++-v3-3.3.4 failed
!!!! Function src_compile, Line 230, Exitcode 2
!!!! (no error message)
!!!! if you need support........


I'm sure its not my iMac's fault, but its starting to get to me that I could install Gentoo on
my first try with my x86 desktop, but with the ppc, I'm having so much trouble.....

Any ideas on what this error is trying to tell me??
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm curious about the speed of this computer
i'd like to know how is the speed in multi-threading aplication as burautics applications:
-for example web browsing (a huge quantity of pages with a lot of konkerors browser full) while downloading some files (a gentoo distribution) while burning a cd...etc... and why not wile playing a 3d game
when you'll have installed gentoo and if you try such thing tell me the result
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be more then happy to give you my assesment - but I can't tell you about 3d games, konqueror, or CD burning.
I'll put xfce & xfe FM on it for occasional use, buy no KDE. No games except for dopewars (to run a server), and
it doesn't have a CD burner. Sorry. Its going to be a light duty, semi-personal use (dopewars/apache/ftp) server.

But I'll give it some tests and let you know when (if ????) I get it up and going.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tw001_tw:

With regards to your previous error, it looks like there may be something wrong with your assembler. Can you provide your use flags and make.conf please? I'm trying to track down the problem, the good news is that it isn't just you. :)
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code:

CFLAGS = " -03 -mcpu=750 -mtune=powerpc -mpowerpc-gfxopt
CHOST = "powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu"
CXXFLAGS = "${CFLAGS}"
GENTOO_MIRRORS= "http://gentoo.chem.wisc.edu/gentoo/"
SYNC = "rsync://rsync.su.getnoo.org/gentoo-portage"
USE = "ppc X gtk gtk2 alsa -kde -gnome"


Of course I had to type this manuallly, so if there is some small error(s), chances are it was me retyping it.
I'd hate to hear this isn't just me thats having this problem.
Any info would be greatly appreciated JoseJX.
best regards
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which version of binutils do you have installed?

Or, even better, please provide the output of emerge info.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, we've figured out the problem, it was an issue with binutils. Emerge sync and downgrade your binutils to the version suggested. That should fix the problem.

Let me know if you're still having issues.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoseJX - I did have binutils ver. 2.15.92.0.2-r8 . I followed your instructions:

1 - emerge --sync
2 - emerge binutils

Currently compiling 2.15.90.0.3-r4

As soon as its done, I'll give it the old " emerge --emptytree system " . Will report back.
Thanks A LOT for all this.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoseJX -

FINALLY !!!!!!!!! :D

I made it through a emerge --emptytree system! Should be down hill from here.
THANK YOU ! I'm glad people like you are around.

A special thanks to JustinHoMi & JoseJX for helping me through my first ppc install!

Best regards & hoping all my problems are behind me,
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im thinking of maybe intsalling gentoo on my Powerbook..
but not without 3d acceleration... i need to watch movies on it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure what you mean by this, 2D is acccelerated enough that things like scaling movies and normal X usage are fine. What is missing is 3D acceleration for OpenGL.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely erased what WAS in this post, since after a lot of work I resolved it.

But guess what - I got anather problem( anyone suprised? I'm not :) ).
Its about the built in NIC on my iMAC.

What is it?? I don't see it with lspci, it works just fine booting to the install CD.
I use dhcp, I installed dhcpcd, and here are the uncommneted lines from /etc/conf.d/net:

iface_eth0="dhcp"
dhcpcd_eth0="..."


This is the same as I have it on the my other gentoo system.
It is connect this way: system -> hub -> router -> cable modem

If I type "ifconfig eth0 up", it says " eth0: unknown interface: No such device"
if I type "dhcpcd", it just goes right back to the prompt.

In the kernel (2.6.10.gentoo.r6) I have:
* -> Ethernet 10/100
* -> MACE (PowerMac ethernet) support
* -> BMAC (G3 ethernet) support

What am I missing something?

-tw

p.s. - Gentoo is now installed and booting on my iMAC - YEAH!!!!! thanks everyone.

[EDITED}
OK.. so I have a "UniNorth GMAC (Sun GEM) NIC... Added that to kernel - doing it now


[EDITED #2]
GOT IT! nic up and going.
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 3:46 pm    Post subject: Up and going! Reply with quote

I just wanted to announce - I'm (almost) done !!!
My first ppc gentoo install is now behind me. Now its just some configuration and app installs.
Thanks to all that have helped me.

I've been emerging software all morning. XFCE4 runs suprisingly well for this system.
The only hardware I havn't set up is the modem (which I don't really nead), and the
sound which I may or maynot configure. I might do it just to see if I can, but I really
don't need it for this system.

I only have 2 small follow up questions:
1- I need to adjust the horizontal position of the screen to the right about 2 1/2 characters worth. How ?
2- How do I use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~ppc" for only 1 application that is masked? In /etc/portage/packages.use?
But if so, what exactly do I put? (I want my xfe FM, but its masked: /portage/ x11-misc/xfe )

But other then that I'm out of the woods.
Thanks again everyone. The Gentoo Community is great.

-tw
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. The utility fbset can be used to adjust the screen, here is an example: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-237144-highlight-fbset+imac.html

2. You can use /etc/portage/package.keywords for this, check man portage for the syntax and other related files.

Finally, a small note about masked packages. If the changelog reports that the version was marked ~ppc more than 1 month ago, feel free to write a bug asking for the package to go stable. This will help us maintain the tree and keep things up to date. The same goes for packages that don't have a keyword, make a bug!

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