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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Gentoo Installed, now what? Reply with quote

Please refer to the http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Recommended_Packages_for_newbies for the most current information. If you do not wish to add your suggestions directly to the wiki, then please feel free to use this thread; however, I will no longer be maintaining it.

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Command prompt ... now what?
Ok, you have just finalized your Gentoo installation, but what do you do now? Gentoo has volumes of documentation available. The first place to check is Chapter 12 of the handbook. The Desktop Documentation Resources link is a great start if you know you will be using one of the few packages listed there. But, if you are new to linux, you might not be overly famaliar with your options. This document is intended to set you in the right direction based on generic needs. Very little specific help is given and this is not a personal list of favorite packages; just a package of suggestions for those who may be at a loss as where to proceed. Here we go.

(note: The portage categories mentioned throughout can be viewed online at http://packages.gentoo.org/ and Portage USE flags can be reviewed at http://gentoo-portage.com/USE)


Window Managers:
Alright, you've got some sort of X server working (probably xorg) and (hopefully) your video and sound; if not, check out the Desktop Doc link above. You still need a window manager and there are many to choose from. Two popular environments are Gnome and KDE. Both are typically packaged with commerical distributions and include a whole array of plugins and accessibility features. If you want something more light-weight, there are still options available. A few suggestions would be Fluxbox, WindowMaker Improved, and XFCE. Portage categories: gnome-base, kde-base, x11-wm, and xfce-base.

(note: More information to follow, but do not confuse window toolkits with window managers; i.e. qt/gtk with kde/gnome, respectively)


Display Managers:
You've got X and a window manager, but you still have a text login and need to start X manually. To allow booting into a graphical login that ties into your window manager, you'll need to install one of the various display managers. It does not matter which you decide to choose, but each usually fits into a certain theme: entrance for Enlightenment users, gdm for Gnome, kdm for KDE, qingy uses directFB (video buffer) to display a graphical login, wdm an xdm based manager, and xdm (comes with xorg?) a basic display manager. Portage categories: gnome-base, kde-base, sys-apps, and x11-misc.

(note: Please correct me if I'm wrong on this section. General feedback on this specifically would be appreciated.)


Video:
Video as in movie and multimedia. You will need a player and codecs. Personally, I install the codecs first and let the player find them during its installation. Codecs allow you to decode different file formats (avi, mpg, ogm). If you want to play DVDs, grab a52dec, libdvdcss, and libdvdread. Libvorbis will take care of ogm files. Xvid handles avi files. Win32codecs allows for wmv (and others) files. Some common players are MPlayer, Ogle, and Xine. Portage categories: media-libs media-video. Portage USE flags: a52, ogg, oggvorbis.

(note: AMD64 users will not be able to use win32codecs with a 64bit environment. Browse the forums if you want to try and coerce them.)


Audio:
After you get your sound drivers installed (probably alsa?), you will need a player and codecs before you can start kicking out tunes. Probably the most well noted player is XMMS. Recently, in an effort to update XMMS's gui, a fork called Beep-Media-Player (BMP) came about. Both of these should have enough codecs to fit most of your needs. XMMS2 is in the works, but it's still in testing and not in portage (if you are brave, look at this thread by plbe). Libogg is necessary for ogg files. Skins for XMMS and BMP are interchangeable. For the command line, a few options to look into are mp3blaster, mpg123, mpd/mpc. Portage categories: media-sound. Portage USE flags: aac, mp3, ogg, and oggvorbis.

(note: AMD64 users will not be able to use win32codecs with a 64bit environment. Browse the forums if you want to try and coerce them.)


File Managers:
KDE has Konqueror and Gnome has Nautilus. So, what about other window managers such as Fluxbox and XFCE? While it is possible to use Konqueror or Nautilus, neither fits into the theme of being light-weight. Rox is rather popular with the Fluxbox crowd and is worth looking into. It has a lot of features such as thumbnails and can act as a session handler, much like GDM or KDM, if you add Rox-Session to it. If you are looking at two-pane managers, try looking at emelfm, emelfm2, and krusader. For console file managers, I'd suggest mc. Portage categories: app-misc, gnome-base, kde-base, and rox-base.

(note: "Session handler" is basically a graphical login; no more 'startx')


Web Browsing:
Due to its name being posted everywhere, if you are looking for a graphical browser, you will probaby end up with mozilla-firefox. If you are looking for text-based browsing you can play with links, lynx and w3m until you find one that feels right. Portage categories: www-client.

(note: mozilla-firefox-bin is precompiled whereas mozilla-firefox is compiled from source)


Mail / News:
Mozilla-thunderbird is mozilla's mail and news counterpart. For those partial to mail readers on par with the likes of MS Outlook, then take a look at evolution. Sylpheed is another graphical mail client that is mentioned quite a bit; sylpheed-claws is its "bleeding edge" version. Of course if you are using KDE, you'll probably be using KMail. Looking at text based clients, a few that get mentioned are mutt and pine.

For news readers, mozilla-thunderbird will probably satisfy your needs. If you are going to be downloading binaries, you might try pan; be wary with large header dumps and memory usage. Since most binaries are are compressed with rar and have par files, unrar (If you want to compress and decompress rar, get rar), par, and par2cmdline will be needed, although they all operate at the console. Portage categories: app-arch, mail-client, net-nntp.

(note: For gmail users, you might look into enabling POP3 in your settings allowing you to import your gmail into a local directory.)
(note: This area is lacking and suggestions are welcome; especially for news and binary downloading.)


Office Suites / PDF / CHM:
OpenOffice.org (shortened to "OOo") has quite a name and is great if you are migrating over from MS Office. Abiword is nice and handles practically every file format like OpenOffice.org, but without a lot of the bulk. If you plan on working in KDE, look into koffice. Koffice is comprised of smaller packages such as kword which is just the word processor part. A few popular KDE based text editors are Kate, KEdit, and KWrite (included in kde-base). If you need a text editor, there are a myrid of front-ends for emacs and vim. Both emacs and vi are console editors (no graphics) and can be a bit heavy depending on your needs. If so, you might consider joe, nano (should be famaliar from your installation), and pico. In regards to PDF's and CHM's, if you need a light viewer, check out xpdf and xchm. Portage categories: app-editors, app-office, app-text, kde-base, x11-misc.

(note: There is a setting in /etc/rc.conf for "EDITOR". I don't know the remifications, but you might want to edit that to your new preference.)


Instant Message / IRC / MUDs:
For chatting, gaim is rather robust (AIM, IRC, Y!, MSN, IRC, and Jabber) and very popular. Licq is a nice ICQ only client. There are a lot of console-based aim clients, but only centericq stands out as supporting a myriad of protocols. Portage categories: net-im.

XChat and bitchx (with USE="gtk") are graphical IRC clients. Bitchx also runs at the console (with USE="-gtk"). Other popular console clients are ircii and irssi. Portage categories: net-irc.

I enjoy playing muds (actually, only one). If you play muds then check out the portage category games-mud and find something that suites you; there are currently, only 19 packages under this portage tree so it shouldn't take too long to browse them. If you don't play and want to try some, you will need, at the bare minimum, telnet-bsd which is a basic telnet client.


File Sharing:
For the ever popular BitTorrent, azureus is a feature rich, java-based application. QTorrent is a popular client as well. Bittorrent offers console access with options for single (btdownloadcurses.py) and batch (btlaunchmanycurses.py) downloading; it also intergrates into mozilla-firefox as an "open with" function. Portage category: net-p2p.

(note: 64bit users looking into azureus will need to use azureus-bin for a pre-compiled version.)
(note: If bttorrent integrates into other browsers as well, feedback would be swell.)

Access to the gnutella network can be accessed through gtk-gnutella or as a plugin to the gIFT network. GIFT can be difficult to set up as it is a server/client type of setup. GIFT runs as a daemon and plugins can be added for various networks; including ares, fasttrack (think KaZaa), gnutella, and openFT (an open version of fasttrack). Once you are able to listen on whatever networks you are interested in, you must install a client. A few choices are apollon (KDE based), giftoxic (gtk2 based), giftcurs (ncurses based; ncurses is console based), and yaggui (java-based). Be sure to read each site for your chosen plugin as they typically offer decent instructions and background info (not essential, but recommended to look over). Portage category: net-p2p.


Samba:
If you need to quickly browse a windows network drive, you'll need to put on samba. Use
Code:
smbclient //ip.address/SharedDocs

where "ip.address" is the IP address of the machine and "SharedDocs" is the shared directory (SharedDocs is the default shared name on XP). Portage category: net-fs.


Image viewers and editors / Cameras and scanners:
Imagemagick is a simple, quick image viewer for a variety of formats. For an image browser with thumbnails, slideshows, and search options, GQview may be of interest to you. Gimp will probably handle most of your digital designs while blender offers 3D modeling production suite. For digital cameras, if you are in KDE then you'll probably use digikam. If you are not in KDE, try gthumb or gtkam. For a console solution, try out gphoto2. In regards to scanners, you will want to check if your scanner is compatible. To do so, head over to SANE's database. If it is supported, then I'd suggest reviewing HOWTO_Installing_USB_Scanner for a complete rundown. Although it is tailored to USB devices, it will famaliarize you with the basic packages sane-backends and xsane. Portage category: media-gfx.


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Well, hopefully this helps point in you a direction if not the right direction. Feedback and suggestions are welcome although I'd rather not get into a "X is better than Y" discussion. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Working on links. Apparently quotes bork the [url=] formet.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um, [ url=www.somelink.com] Link text goes here [ /url ]

And see https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-334345.html
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This would look good in the wiki =]


I would try and port it accross my self, anyone willing to look over it after me?


Oh yeah, im posting it to http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Recommended_Packages_for_newbies as this seems appropiate at the time?
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poop, im dumb, just realised this might be a problem with copyright etc, Can you contact me if you DONT want this on www.gentoo-wiki.com ?
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about the two-pane file managers, such as emelfm/2 and krusader?
I think they're at least worth mentioning.

Useful thread, though. Wish it was here when I was starting out.
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@djsmiley2k: No, I don't mind at all if you want to begin a wiki. I'll contribute my bit here if no one else takes it up. However, I'd suggest looking at http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Recommended_Packages. Sir No already has a good start, so I'd suggest just adding to his.

@Hopeless: Thanks for the suggestions and I'll add them.
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its done, at least i think itis

its my first wiki artical which i have properly formatted etc. Anyone care to comment on it?
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm at work right now so I just skimmed it but it looks alright. I've just added the suggestions from Hopeless in addition to mc under File Managers. Also, app-misc was added to the port. cat.
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few more suggestions;

Additional categories;
Display managers (xdm, gdm, kdm, entrance, qingy?)
File sharing (giFT + frontends, azureus, gtk-gnutella, etc)

In the "Image viewers / editors / Digital cameras" section'
Gtkam, or better yet, gthumb, as gtk frontends to gphoto2, for none-kde users.
Also, scanners? (sane backends & frontends, link to http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Installing_USB_Scanner for setup)

The one thing you're missing is an explanation of the two main toolkits (qt, gtk2) and how they do not equal Gnome/KDE (unlike me, you seem impartial enough to pull it off).

This would be a good thread to be made sticky for newbies (allthough you need to shorten the title).
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great suggestions; I'll add display managers, break down the "Chat/IRC/..." section and include file sharing, and the digi camera packages. I'm not overly famaliar with scanners, so I'm open for suggestions regarding them; looks like that information is detailed out in the wiki link.

In regards to qt, gtk2, etc, I don't consider myself to be well versed enough to provide detailed information; but, now that you mention it, now seems like a good time to learn. It is a good point to bring out though, so perhaps I can offer a brief overview and add details as time and suggestions permit.

Thanks again for the helpful feedback.

EDIT:
Hopeless' suggestions added with work left to be done for qt/gtk.
djsmiley2k's wiki updated.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: Gentoo Installed, now what? Reply with quote

cynric wrote:
Mail / News:
Mozilla-thunderbird is mozilla's mail and news counterpart. Sylpheed is another graphical mail client that is mentioned quite a bit; sylpheed-claws is its "bleeding edge" version. Of course if you are using KDE, you'll probably be using KMail. Looking at text based clients, a few that get mentioned are mutt and pine.

I'm not experienced with either, but I've heard sylpheed-claws is currently missing some features new to the stable sylpheed; yet, it still have some exclusive features. I'm looking forward the release of sylpheed 2.0!

cynric wrote:
Office Suites / PDF / CHM:
Koffice is comprised of smaller packages such as kword which is just the word processor part. Two popular KDE based text editors are KWrite (I don't see a portage entry for this so it must be installed by default; correct me if I'm wrong.) and Kate.

Both KWrite and KATE come with the base KDE, and are advanced text editors. There's also KEdit, which is a simple text editor. Just to be clear: text editors are not document processors (like KWord or OOo).

cynric wrote:
Image viewers and editors / Cameras and scanners:

Another image viewer worth a try: GQview.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the input about sylpheed and the clarification on KWrite and Kate. It's been a while since I've used KDE and was a bit fuzzy. I'll add KEdit (I assume it's part of kde-base?) and info about GQview.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:04 am    Post subject: KEdit's package Reply with quote

cynric wrote:
I'll add KEdit (I assume it's part of kde-base?) ...

:oops: I though so too, but I've just checked and it's part of kdeutils.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*hangs head* Helps if you read properly. (post removed)

Thanks for the update though, telurion.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evolution! I can't believe no-one's mentioned it yet.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*blush* "oops"

Added. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instead of using the double backslash to connect to other smb shares, you could use a single slash.

e.g. //server/share

Backslash file dividers are DOS based.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrongly assumed samba needed them. Saves on typing and easier to read so it's been changed. Danke.
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