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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I opt to end all my Gentoo related activities OUT OF PRINCIPLE (call me RMS)..

If you do that then the terrorists, err, Microsoft has already won.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought this was old news.:lol:

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and now Gentoo is corrupted!!!!!!!

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I opt to end all my Gentoo related activities OUT OF PRINCIPLE (call me RMS)
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I see, because of the actions of one person, no longer associated with Gentoo, you'll malign Gentoo and all the rest of the developers who made it what it is today. I take it you require everyone involved to be pure of heart. You have some incredibly high standards.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm actually having trouble accepting the shit I'm reading here. YES, jtmace said some stupid shit. YES, he's probably more of a fanatic than most of the others who posted against him. Regardless, it seems that I'm still the only one to admit that I, in part, agree with some of what he has to say. Moreso, he has to be on the defensive just for having an opinion. Probably the most shocking is that most of the posts I've seen in this thread aren't apathetic to Robbins; they aren't just accepting of Robbins. Many of you are actually CONDONING going to work for Microsoft. In a time in which software patents (by companies similar to and including Microsoft) are threatening absolute open-source EXTINCTION in Europe, many of you are actually condoning accepting employment by Microsoft.

As much as many of you are trying to discredit every single word jtmace has to say, your discrediting yourselves of any dignity as open-source supporters.

Microsoft isn't a completely evil company, and drobbins certainly isn't a pillar of virtue (many people like myself strongly disapprove of his actions during the phased transition of gentoo copyrights, the gentoo store debacle, etc).

But if 100 more people like drobbins worked for Microsoft, Microsoft would be a better company for it. I don't see a problem here.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think everyone should understand that he had large credit card debts, that he tried everything he could to make it work fiscally, and that the community failed to provide the finances that would make it work.

His approach was technically superior to the other distros in its fundamental approach, and funding could have cured any detail problems. It was the right approach. He went broke, and we should all be sad at this.

The nice thing would have been if some government had funded him. None did.

Thus he works for Microsoft. I imagine he is sadly bitter about it all.

Namesys is also having payroll problems, though our problem is more due to my divorce than anything else.




I retract my hard feelings.. I know what it feels like to be beaten up and stepped on by capatilism..

No one in this forum has influenced my views, and I respect anyone who sticks to their guns.. This time I didnt.. I'll still run Gentoo.. Its the best OS i've seen yet.. I feel a bit like Richard Stallman (yet I always never saw eye to eye with that guy)..

maybe it is monday that was bringing me down..

I own and have read every peice he did on IBM developerwerks.. hes taught me alot, but I still stick to my Thomas Jefferson analogy.

you have to understand the shock involved when you realize one of your heros goes to the dark side..

I hope microsoft pays him millions and he doesnt do anything for them excect make them realize that they are not the future..
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satertek wrote:
Seeing as he describes his job as "helping Microsoft to understand Open Source and community-based projects." I can't see anything about this that isn't good. Just think what could happen if Microsoft started contributing to open source projects...or even ditch Windows to unite the world under the banner of Linux (haha yah thats pushing it)


Oh come on now...I can think of a few not-so-good outcomes. Why do you think Microsoft is interested in understanding free software? Because they want to learn to improve their software reliability? No! Microsoft made billions writing buggy software, and they're going to keep doing it that way until it's no longer profitable. Like the cigarette-smoking man told Agent Mulder, "Keep your friends close, Mr. Mulder...keep your enemies closer!" Microsoft sees some open source and free software projects as legitimate threats to their profits (Apache and postgreSQL come to mind) and they want to know their enemy. Fortunately their enemy has walked directly into their headquarters and handed them the secret documents in exchange for a few bucks. No, wait, there AREN'T any secrets, its OPEN SOURCE...um..um...I guess I'm going to watch some more X-Files reruns and I'll get back to you when I decode some more hidden messages.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jtmace wrote:
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@top-poster: did you donate some money so that Daniel had a fair chance of making a living?



shall i fax you the reciepts..

btw.. I also afforded 60 less-fortunate people to eat thanksgiving dinner last year at missions in 2 different cities...

I can fax you those too if you like.


just post them here.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm definitely glad that you've chosen to keep using Gentoo. The foundation definitely did nothing wrong. As far as retracting hard feelings, I remain desappointed in Daniel Robbins. I'm not angry at him, I'm not going to go on and on and call him a fag, but even as hard as it is to resist the grip of capitalism, I'm still disappointed.

Don't bother responding to this post, this thread is obviously at an end.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barnoid wrote:
jtmace wrote:
Barnoid wrote:
@top-poster: did you donate some money so that Daniel had a fair chance of making a living?



shall i fax you the reciepts..

btw.. I also afforded 60 less-fortunate people to eat thanksgiving dinner last year at missions in 2 different cities...

I can fax you those too if you like.


just post them here.


got nothing to prove to you Dick, your real name is Dick right?!.. I wont feel any better trying to win a pointless argument.

I cant argue with a man just trying to feed his family..
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

apple switched to intel.

drobbins works for microsoft..

this is the bizzaro world. either that or hell is freezing over.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tdstrong wrote:
Many of you are actually CONDONING going to work for Microsoft. In a time in which software patents (by companies similar to and including Microsoft) are threatening absolute open-source EXTINCTION in Europe, many of you are actually condoning accepting employment by Microsoft.

As much as many of you are trying to discredit every single word jtmace has to say, your discrediting yourselves of any dignity as open-source supporters.

-Tim


Your vision of the open source world is a fantasy at best. Developers aren't white knights ready to fight against the evil around the world, they are individuals with their own agenda. If drobbins think it's best for him to go to m$, I wish him best and that's it!

F/OSS is bigger than any individual , including legends like Linus or rms. If they would be hired by m$, it would be a PR hit (which is the main reason m$ hired drobbins in the first place), but F/OSS will march on nevertheless.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ansient wrote:
[But if 100 more people like drobbins worked for Microsoft, Microsoft would be a better company for it. I don't see a problem here.


m$'s problem is its business model, not the quality of its employees. I happen to know personally some of their devs and I could tell ya they are excelent coders.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW, I think this epitomises the duality that exists in the open source community. There are the people that fully believe in Free software (i.e. GNU), and those who think they believe in free software.

I must admit that I am the latter, in that I do feel deprived when I can't login to my bank website, or check out my favorite band's website because I do try to believe in open source. Recently I felt forced into buying a mac due to financial constraints and my misconception that it was a more open source friendly OS, Ha! Now I'm stuck with some ridiculously closed built-in wireless (AirPort Extreme). The fact is, my requirements for my laptop are completely different from my desktops and servers, so I'm stuck with this OSX crap for now, but you couldn't pry gentoo off my desktops if you burned the machines or fried the harddrives.

I guess I just have two main points that I would like to express:

1. Open source is all about community, one person can't simply change this. I thank Daniel for all his hard work, and for essentially recruiting the amazing developer community that we have. They are the ones that make this the best distro out there (IMO), and to them I continue to say "Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!"

2. Is it all that horrible that someone goes to work for M$ to help them embrace OSS? I know they are against everything that OSS stands for, but it would be a much more beautiful world if we could get these companies to accept overall standards, and give everyone a true choice when it comes to using their tool to accomplish the task at hand. I'm not allowed to install linux on my machine at work, but that's because they're trapped in the M$ oligarchy. If M$ was more OSS friendly, well I would be cruisin' in my gentoo world at work yesterday.

Just don't insult the true gentoo community (the developers and this community) by acting like Daniel's moves kills everything that we love about this distro.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrness wrote:
ansient wrote:
[But if 100 more people like drobbins worked for Microsoft, Microsoft would be a better company for it. I don't see a problem here.

m$'s problem is its business model, not the quality of its employees. I happen to know personally some of their devs and I could tell ya they are excelent coders.

I said people like drobbins. Not coders like drobbins.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the attitude that "OMFG he sold out, im gonna burn the latest debian-whatever disc and throw that on. If our great leader has made the move to the EVIL corporation I have no path in life. Excuse me while I slit my wrists." attitude is retarded. You know what? Working on gentoo put him in debt. Youre going to knock a guy for wanting to eat / feed his family? Come on. Grow up. He took what we can safely assume is a high paying position at one of the top software (if not THE top) companies in the world - lets gather the villagers and form a posse! You must know that there is more to life that Linux. Theres more to the "techie feild" than Linux, theres more to...etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:59 am    Post subject: Re: Daniel Robbins SOLD OUT!!!!!!!!!! Reply with quote

jtmace wrote:
I'm now gonna switch to Debian..


Daniel sold of to Microsoft! What a joke.. Money corrupts. Microsoft corrupts..

and now Gentoo is corrupted!!!!!!!


BAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its about principal, nothing else..


your a sell out fag, daniel!!!
Ah, a man of principles. Incidentally, I have some beach property in Chad you may be interested in, seeing as how firm you are in your beliefs...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpsii wrote:
Solaris never tried to be commercial? WTF? What else is Solaris? It is a <commercial> operating system, closed-source (maybe not for long), and intended to make Sun money... Sounds like... Microsoft Windows, Apple Macintosh, HP Unix, Irix, AS/400, etc.

<snip>

allow me to straighten things up.. it seems you have misread, the boy is being yelled at enough for the stuff he says right
no need to harp on him because you didn't take enough time to read and decided to troll instead.

jtmace wrote:
<snip> at least Solaris never tried to not be commercial..

(its a double negative yes, but i hope you stand corrected)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so? everyone needs to earn a living.

And to other comments It is the management that fooked up Windows. The coders would have know abt the majority of bugs, but since the PR department decided to call the OperatingSystem say 98 they WILL have it on the shelves in 98, bugs or no bugs!!!!

If the coders were given the chance to do what they do best then Windows could have been great, but the management screwed it and thus a market for another OS (after MS killed the others) was born.

IF Windows worked fine I would not have moved to linux
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As this being a double post. Ah well. I just hope he did not have to sign a outragous non-disclosure agreement that bind him all up after he leave MS.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You win some, you lose some.

It makes me a bit sad to see someone who once did so much for the Linux community just leave it completely and utterly behind.

My current job is so locked into MS technologies that it makes me sick. Every time I try to move a service to an open source platform I get kicked in the face by all the MS dependency lock for the service that I want to replace.

For example we have a web based accounting program that is closed source. WEB BASED! this thing would run so much better on PHP and MySQL but since we don't have the source we cant make any minor changes that we need to. The developer is charging $1500 to make a change to the FOOTER of an invoice sheet.

This is what closed source means to me. This is what Microsoft means to me.
Daniel I hope you are a REALLY good teacher.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anybody sees Daniel as an ambassador? Has anyone thought about it? I believe it's time for two worlds to shake hands, war is good for nobody. I'm with Daniel, I trust him. He did quite a good job here at Gentoo, don't you think?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-348770.html

Moved to 'Duplicate Threads'.
It has got nothing to do with Gentoo. That's why I posted this in OTW.
Drobbins left for months now. It's has got no affect on Gentoo.

And btw: Relax.. calm down people.
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