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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not a problem anymore, we've gone so off topic that it's now about if Linux will be ever used by normal people :wink:
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please a call for Lock of thread before a masacre comes.:wink:
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epyon wrote:
russianpirate wrote:
[flame]stay with gnome.. kde sucks


[flame]IMHO gnome sucks. Its buggy and incomplete (2.10 shipped without the ability to edit the applications menu). I've been far less pissed at my computer since switching to kde. Stuff generally works well. Also, Konqueror > nautilus.[/flame]

If you want to switch over with as little hassle as possible, just put kde and qt in your use flags and then emerge kde. Then emerge --newuse world.


You can use smeg for edit menus, and it's better than nautilus for menus editing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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[flame]IMHO gnome sucks. Its buggy and incomplete (2.10 shipped without the ability to edit the applications menu).

I swear you did a copy and paste of another thread becuase that is the same lie all people are saying against gnome bein incomplete. Then if menu editing makes it incomplete then it would be 99.9% incomplete. Though gnome-menu-editor is a real app that bring menu editing capabilitys to gnome 2.10 so now it is 100% complete again.:wink:
NOTE: PLEASE LOCK THE THREAD IS SO OFF TOPIC.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kensai wrote:
errrrr...... wrong again you can't prove that. I know lots of people who use Windows but don't like it and don't want to give linux a try because they think it is too difficult. ANd there are people who don't like windows that much but don't know about other operating systems. So think before speaking.


"Prove prove prove prove" ... I have to prove nothing. Sure, there are many people who don't like windows, but windows is still the most-user-friendly OS. Sorry, I don't want to start a flame war or advertise Windows, but let's face the facts. What are you doing when you want to install the NVIDIA-Driver, for example? In Linux you'll have to kill the X-Server and get into the console, followed by editing the xorg.conf. There you have to edit two things. In Windows, you download the NVIDIA-Driver, and click some times on the "Next" button, one reboot, and you're finished. And hell, I know people who even have problems with this. These people's blood would run cold when they'd have to type commands in a command line!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kensai wrote:
LOL. Polls aren't world wide. Because kde people care to vote on a poll to defend kde becuase they feel kde needs lots of votes on a stupid poll. Gnome people and I'm included don't feel those votes are necesary I have never voted on a best DE poll. Those polls prove nothing is my point. Now on topic sneakyme66 what are your experiences so far with both?


8O 8O 8O what a troll 8O 8O 8O
You're just saying KDE users are stupid ..
you are the troll, you are the flamer. So, either you did it on purpose (and then it was disrespectful for the one wantin infos for his "conversion"), or you really are stupid .. dunno ..

Anyway, yes, lock this topic please ..
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please lock this thread, even I get the urge to defend my desktop. I hate that!

Edit: Gnome 2.10 by the way and loving it :twisted: (i couldn't resist, I tried honest :wink: )


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What are you doing when you want to install the NVIDIA-Driver, for example? In Linux you'll have to kill the X-Server and get into the console, followed by editing the xorg.conf. There you have to edit two things. In Windows, you download the NVIDIA-Driver, and click some times on the "Next" button, one reboot, and you're finished. And hell, I know people who even have problems with this. These people's blood would run cold when they'd have to type commands in a command line!

Errrr..... wrong once more now 90% of the distros include it as a package that can be installed using X emerge nvidia-kernel does this as well as apt-get install nvidia-glx does this as well..... anyways almost all distros do it this way. And in linux you don't need to reboot after installing it in windows you have. So man you are wrong once more. Sorry.:wink:. Even I have used distros that edit the config file for you. H3KNIX is one and I don't remember well if ubuntu was the other. And if nothing of this can be done on your distro the installation guide by nvidia is super great I managed to install it when I first changed from windows to linux easily.

To DAIS:
Tell me where in that post I mentioned kde users were stupid?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, if a linux user would never change kernel, NVidia would be as simple as in windows!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kensai wrote:
COiN3D wrote:
What are you doing when you want to install the NVIDIA-Driver, for example? In Linux you'll have to kill the X-Server and get into the console, followed by editing the xorg.conf. There you have to edit two things. In Windows, you download the NVIDIA-Driver, and click some times on the "Next" button, one reboot, and you're finished. And hell, I know people who even have problems with this. These people's blood would run cold when they'd have to type commands in a command line!

Errrr..... wrong once more now 90% of the distros include it as a package that can be installed using X emerge nvidia-kernel does this as well as apt-get install nvidia-glx does this as well..... anyways almost all distros do it this way. And in linux you don't need to reboot after installing it in windows you have. So man you are wrong once more. Sorry.:wink:. Even I have used distros that edit the config file for you. H3KNIX is one and I don't remember well if ubuntu was the other. And if nothing of this can be done on your distro the installation guide by nvidia is super great I managed to install it when I first changed from windows to linux easily.


Haha, the NVIDIA-Drivers were just one example. I could call you a few other, too, but I really don't want that this thread ends in a suicide. And because I'm wrong all the time , as you think, I'd better shut my mouth closed, and learn from the big, great teacher Kensai from Puerto Rico. Everybody has an other opinion, so exactly YOU couldn't tell me what's wrong or what's right.

Bye bye....
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing against you COiN3D. I'm just mad when a lot of people jumps against gnome with proof of nothing. Just as you defend KDE and Windows I defend Gnome and Linux. So please now someone report this thread this needs to be closed since the original poster hasn't been here for a while to tell us how he is doing with both DE's.:wink:
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good lordddd

Shut up, all of you
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waw.

How about neither GNOME nor KDE, or both?
We don't need to install all the applications, just use kde split ebuild to get what you want.
We may use Firefox as browser, Konqueror as file manager.
k3b as Nero, gnommeeting for video conference, gvim/kate for edit.

Several months ago, I switch from KDE -> XFCE -> FVWM -> E17 -> FVWM -> E17 ...
I would not toture myself to use gtk only or kde only application. It's OK to have both
qt/gtk/kde/gnome application running, what we pay for just memory usage, who cares that?
It is more convinient and ecnomical to get a memory deal than impace your own experience.

So. Don't bother the convert. Install everything you take interest in.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please behave yourselves. I've reported this thread, since its degenerated so far off-topic. These types of GNOME/KDE or Vim/Emacs or <A>/<B> flamewars are childish and pointless...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved from Desktop Environments to Gentoo Chat. I could have sent this thread to the Duplicate Threads forum, but as I see you 'enjoy' of it, let it be.

As far as there are no personal agressions, the thread will stay open.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Split off from convert... gnome to kde and moved from Gentoo Chat.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I would say that KDE is more complete as a DE, however QT apps simply look ugly, KDE itself looks like an ugly version of explorer, the themes and thw way everything comes together just looks bad at least Windows themes tend to blend together properly with thier core elements with the exception of Luna 90% of the time. GTK/Gnome apps tend to go bettwer with eachother and are "smoother" if you will, its much easier on my eyes at least. KDE is definetly a good DE though I do not like its style at all and cannot understand why anyone would want to port KDE to Windows when porting an application like Amarok would make more sense even though Winamp kicks its behind in terms of control. I also think that Konqueror is a pretty decent file manager although I prefer Krusader for my intense file manipulation needs and Nautilus for viewing thumbnails and such, don't ask me why it just works out that way even on Windows I use two file managers, another dual paned file manager called abcommanderxp and standard IE..

I'm currently working on getting xfce to adopt gnome-panel metacity and Engage for the "perfect" DE but KDE will still have a place on my system like right now, I broke Gnome and by extension xfce so I am using KDE while I try to fix my Gnome related issues. :)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

/me wonders why those kde vs gnome threads allways get so emotional.

I'm using kde 3.3 and didnt bother to hack /etc/portage/packages.keywords in order to update
to version 3.4. Why you might ask? Because it does it's job.
I like the integration kde offers and all this 'bloat' does not interest me at all.

But all this shouting makes me sort of curious so i will emerge gnome this evening.
I used gnome some years ago and found it also sufficient for my needs.

One thing i like about gome, more precisely gtk, is that it is really free software.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sulu wrote:
/me wonders why those kde vs gnome threads allways get so emotional.

I'm using kde 3.3 and didnt bother to hack /etc/portage/packages.keywords in order to update
to version 3.4. Why you might ask? Because it does it's job.
I like the integration kde offers and all this 'bloat' does not interest me at all.

But all this shouting makes me sort of curious so i will emerge gnome this evening.
I used gnome some years ago and found it also sufficient for my needs.

One thing i like about gome, more precisely gtk, is that it is really free software.

So is Qt/KDE.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Illissius

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So is Qt/KDE.


KDE yes but QT ?

Is it allowed to create QT applications and distribute them all over the web for free ?

If you do GUI_development with GTK you are on the save side in terms off licensing.
I dont know if this holds for QT.

Technically i would prefer QT because of its sound design.




Uhm, im getting off topic but i dont know how to contribute to the kde vs gnome flamefest. 8O
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sulu wrote:
Illissius

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So is Qt/KDE.


KDE yes but QT ?

Uhm, im getting off topic but i dont know how to contribute to the kde vs gnome flamefest. 8O


This is the old story now. QT4 has released all open source version for Linux, Mac and Windows.
You can build your commercial application with commercial license, and your GPL program with GPLed QT.
It's up to you.

Unlike gtk, the vendor may develop a commercial software with LGPL gtk. If you want to use QT and
make a fortune, you have to pay to TrollTech, IMO, this is quite fair.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that this has all died down, I'll voice my opinion. Mainly, I'm curious why people seem to think QT is ugly in comparison with GTK? I've always felt the exact opposite. As for KDE vs Gnome, I understand the complaint of KDE bundling 300 progs with the DE, including multiple ones that do the same job (I guess I define that as bloat). But since KDE 3.4 and kdebase-startkde, im now a happy camper. I emerge kdebase-startkde, maybe kicker, some kioslaves, konqueror... And there's my system. I can build off of it. Its the integration that does it for me with KDE. I do like Gnome though, and would certainly happily use it if KDE wasn't an option.
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sulu wrote:
KDE yes but QT ?

Is it allowed to create QT applications and distribute them all over the web for free ?

If you do GUI_development with GTK you are on the save side in terms off licensing.
I dont know if this holds for QT.

Technically i would prefer QT because of its sound design.
Qt4 is GPL'd on Windows, Mac and X11 (*nix).
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I don't care if people love Gnome, KDE, Xfce, E17, *box or whatever, good for whoever uses the variosu stuff.

What I do care about is the buzzword everyone uses "bloat"

With KDE split ebuilds, you can install as much or little as you like. Don't want a KDE program? Don't install it! Right now it seems like Gentoo's way of splitting KDE actually can make KDE the leanest desktop0 around if you like.

Too many programs? That's not bloat in any other sens than it takes up some diskspace.
Memory usage? Not worse or better than other desktops.
looks like Windows? If you have seen a default Win XP and KDE desktop side by side, you would see how ignorant that statement is. Is it the menu with programs that reminds you of Windows? Well, then any other DE should remind you of Windows too.

To me it seems more and more like the 1337 people have found a new word "B10A7". if you don't call all other DE or WM than the one you and your 1337 friends use for bloated, you are not 1337 enough!

And reading this thread and seeing what people think bloat is, have been really funny.

I respect people who say: "I use Gnome because I like they way it is designed, the looks etc." rather than "I use Gnome rather than KDE because KDE is bloated and looks like windows"

If bloat and windows is all you can come up with as counterarguments towards KDE, you are better off not saying anything.

I always install new versions of KDE, Gnome, XFCE, E and *box'es I use all of them from time to time, but i always find myself going back to KDE because it has all the things I need and I feel it suites my way of using a computer better than any of the other DE/WM's
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kensai wrote:
gdm is beter than kdm ( KDM is a pice of trash)

Have you tried this? :wink:
Kensai wrote:
kde reminds me of windows (KDE is windows running on Linux)

You have not used KDE very much then...
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