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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[napalm flame]I think both KDE and Gnome suck.

Gnome is just some user friendliness shit gone wrong. Take the save file dialogue: Why do I need to click a LINE OF TEXT before it will allow me to navigate my system, and why cant I navigate hidden folders??! I hate Gnome quite allot, nautilus is just bullocks. Why is it opening all directories in a new window? It's like going back to Microsft, double click to open stuff, one click to open the directory and one to close the last fucking window!! I don't actually have much experience of Gnome because it just scared me away so quickly.

I like some aspects of KDE, its really well integrated, but KDE's interface is just to complex and has far to much rubbish in it, take the right click dialogue in Konqueror:

Create new - Fine

Up - What the fuck is this here for? Isn't that on the navigation bar?

Back - See Up

Forward - See Up

Paste (Greyed out)- Fine, but there's nothing on the clip board, why does it even appear, cut and copy dont?

Open With - Fine, but I've not selected a file!

Preview In - Err I have no idea what this is really for it's so useless, and I've used konqueror since KDE 2.X. It's like a useless version of Open With. Let's also not forget that I've not selected any files!

Actions - Useless shit with an open terminal button, but you cant choose which terminal, it's always Konsole, I use Eterm! So this is another useless menu.

Compress - Er... That wouldn't that be an action? Maybe they didn't put it on the Actions menu because unlike the other actions this is actually useful. I still don't think it really has a place on the menu, if I want to compress a file I should drop it into Ark, the same as if I want to email a file I should drop it into Thunderbird. Never mind that I have no file selected...

Copy To - I have no file selected!! And using that menu to navigate is retarded. This is just totally useless.

Move To - See Copy To.

Properties - Fine.

I think 8 of those buttons should NEVER appear, those are: Up, Back, Forward, Preview In, Actions (I'll swap for open your terminal here), Compress, Copy To and Move To. There was only 12 buttons to begin with! So when you've swapped Actions almost 60% of that menu shouldn't be there. I *should* have only seen Create New, Properties, and Open Your Terminal Here buttons because I had nothing selected. I could go through the rest of KDE doing the same thing and I think I'd probably want to remove the same amount of stuff everywhere else.

I do actually use Konqueror as my file manager, I'd rather not but nothing else is quite as good at browsing FTP/SFTP/NFS/SMB shares without the hassle of mounting them in the same way, and thats a big thing for me.

One thing I'll say for both Gnome and KDE is that I think their both much better than XP's clutter and user unfriendliness, the side bar in my computer just makes me cry.[/napalm flame]

EDIT: I hope I've not offend anyone, it's not meant to be taken too seriously... I realise it's easier to criticise than it is to contribute.:wink:
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gnome takes way too much resopurces latley.
I used to run gnome-terminal from XFCE4, and terminal alone would take more ram and processor power than the rest of my WM.
I had switrched to konsole and it is much snappier and frendlier to my system.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear mister jamiethehutt,
[RANT]
WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK A RIGHT CLICK MENU SHOULD CONTAIN NOTHING????
WHAT IF A USER DOES NOT WANT TO USE THE NAVIGATION BARS HUH? (For example because he needs all his screen space?)
If you 'move to' or 'copy to' it copies the folder! Maybe you didn't realise that right-clicking empty space is like right-clicking a folder?
And so on... it's not because you can't think that the KDE devs can't do that too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordMyth wrote:
Dear mister jamiethehutt,
[RANT]
WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK A RIGHT CLICK MENU SHOULD CONTAIN NOTHING????

I dont think it should contain nothing, I just dont think it should contain rubbish, I'm fed up of having to search through 3 ways to do another action to find the one action I want (Copy on the navigation bar, Copy on right click, Copy To on right click etc.). Do mechanincs carry 3 of each spanner?
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WHAT IF A USER DOES NOT WANT TO USE THE NAVIGATION BARS HUH? (For example because he needs all his screen space?)

Well there is an argument there. I cant help wondering when you'd need your entire screen for file managment though...:wink:
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If you 'move to' or 'copy to' it copies the folder!

And you actualy use that feature? :? There already is a way to copy things, it works great, why reinvent the wheel?

The menu also doesnt work, try moving something to /usr/share, not good. Now try /usr/share/doc/. On my system I have 488 folders /usr/share/doc, but I have 522 folders in /home/jamie/media/mp3 so with that menu taking up all of 2560*1024 pixles worth of display area I can see as far as Macy Gray. A menu like that just isnt desgned for navagating a file system.
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Maybe you didn't realise that right-clicking empty space is like right-clicking a folder?
I clicked on empty space not the current folder, this is an example of being to complex. Anyway when I click on a folder I have different options. I get Open In New Window, Open In New Tab, Cut, Copy, Paste, Rename, Move To Trash, and Delete instead of the navigation buttons. If actions can be performed on the current folder by clicking on empty space why cant I use the options I get when I select a folder? It's to complex.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I normally wouldn't participate in such threads but...after trying Ubuntu I feel I should

[flame]
To me, KDE has many more options for customization. I recently tried Ubuntu and LOVED GNOME until I changed my icon theme, which didn't include 32x32 icons...which is apparently the default size for 1024x768 desktops. Needless to say, the fact I can't (easily) change my icon size pissed me off.
[flame]

If I'm wrong, please tell me how to change the icon size by anyway except "stretch"
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just use what you like ffs :D I personally don't like the way kde looks or feels, but thats just a personal preference of mine. No ones got a gun to my head making me use it. Linux is all about choice.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seven years this useless flamewar has gone on, and still not a shred evidence that even one single user has switched his DE preference based on the arguments posted in forums like this...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wdreinhart wrote:
Seven years this useless flamewar has gone on, and still not a shred evidence that even one single user has switched his DE preference based on the arguments posted in forums like this...
Yeah but its fun all the same. :wink:
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wdreinhart wrote:
Seven years this useless flamewar has gone on.


KDE 1.0 - July 12, 1998
GNOME 1.0 - March 3, 1999

How could the war have existed for 7 years it hasnt even been 7 years... :?

Sources: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-1.0.php
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=1999-03-03-009-10-NW
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

russianpirate wrote:
How could the war have existed for 7 years it hasnt even been 7 years... :?


Welcome to the world of OSS, where 1.0 release might come after many years of development...

http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/gnome-history.html wrote:

At this point the Kool Desktop Environment project (KDE) was showing a lot of promise: a team of programmers started an effort to bring Unix to the desktop using the C++ based GUI toolkit. I mailed my friend Erik Troan suggesting him to include that code into the Red Hat distribution and I mailed Richard Stallman to let him know that this interesting project existed. KDE was licensed under the terms of the GNU GPL. I got a reply back from both Erik and Richard pointing out that KDE dependency on Qt resulted in a piece of non-free software. Qt did not end users the right to modify, redistribute nor distribute modifed copies of the code and violated the terms of the GNU GPL.
...
...
So I started the GNOME project at that point in August 1997.


The "Qt isn't GPL-compatible" flamewar (which was the origin of Gnome-vs-KDE hostility) started in 1997. Development on Gnome started in August of 1997, 7 years and 10 months ago.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edudlive wrote:
I normally wouldn't participate in such threads but...after trying Ubuntu I feel I should

[flame]
To me, KDE has many more options for customization. I recently tried Ubuntu and LOVED GNOME until I changed my icon theme, which didn't include 32x32 icons...which is apparently the default size for 1024x768 desktops. Needless to say, the fact I can't (easily) change my icon size pissed me off.
[flame]

If I'm wrong, please tell me how to change the icon size by anyway except "stretch"

LOL. Desktop > Preferences > File management > Default Zoom Level
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=2676
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