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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:23 pm    Post subject: Favorite IDE? Reply with quote

I'm about to begin a *huge* PHP web development project (the scale of which is beyond what I'm comfortable doing with simple text editors as I have in the past), so I'm looking for a good IDE to help me organize my code. The first recommendation I received was Bluefish, but it doesn't seem quite robust enough (I will definitely give it a shot, so more votes in its favor wouldn't hurt). The other recommendation was Eclipse, and it actually seems perfect... Except for the fact that it has a Java backend (I'd like to avoid Java if at all humanly possible... I hate the added overhead). What IDEs do you guys use, and before I shy away from Eclipse, would you say it's as bulky as I'm imagining it to be? I'm a speed freak and whole-heartedly opposed to bloated software, so the best compromise between efficiency and robustness (if that's even a word) would be ideal. Thanks in advance guys.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eclipse is well supported, has a very large usage and plug-in developers base. Yes, it's Java, but performance seems very reasonable to me. Of course it depends on your hardware (CPU and memory at most).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, here are my system specs... Tell me what you think I should expect.

  • Pentium 4 3.0GHz HT (800 MHz bus)
  • Intel D875PBZ mobo (i875P based)
  • 1024 MB PC3200 DDR RAM (2x 512, dual channel)
  • 2x Western Digital Raptor 74 GB drives (non-RAID, 2nd drive mounted at /home and /opt)
  • BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra OC AGP
  • 23" Apple HD Cinema Display (1920x1200 res)

Think I'd notice a considerable slowdown due to its Java base? I've never screwed around with Java on Linux, so in terms of the runtime environment, how much more streamlined/efficient is it that Windows-based VMs and JREs?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a look at Quanta
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aNtHrAx323 wrote:
Well, here are my system specs... Tell me what you think I should expect.

  • Pentium 4 3.0GHz HT (800 MHz bus)
  • Intel D875PBZ mobo (i875P based)
  • 1024 MB PC3200 DDR RAM (2x 512, dual channel)
  • 2x Western Digital Raptor 74 GB drives (non-RAID, 2nd drive mounted at /home and /opt)
  • BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra OC AGP
  • 23" Apple HD Cinema Display (1920x1200 res)

Think I'd notice a considerable slowdown due to its Java base? I've never screwed around with Java on Linux, so in terms of the runtime environment, how much more streamlined/efficient is it that Windows-based VMs and JREs?


I think you'll have no problem at all. If you're interested you may take a look at some benchmark

http://www.shudo.net/jit/perf/

There are many more.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had to do a dvd-webshop in php for school. I was also checking out different editors.

In the end i sticked to bluefish. Imho it's pretty good. I dunno what you mean by robust but I didn't have one crash if you mean that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinr wrote:
Take a look at Quanta

It's pretty cool looking, but I loathe KDE... So I'm probably going to pass on it. Thanks for the tip though.

And ph03n1x - by robust I mean capable of code organization, function trees, and possibly even a local processing/previewing function... In all honesty, Eclipse is looking like my best option. Maybe I just have really bad memories from the last Java-based IDE I used (but it was Forte4Java on a P3 1.0 GHz with 128 megs of RAM on Win2k...).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aNtHrAx323 wrote:
Maybe I just have really bad memories from the last Java-based IDE I used (but it was Forte4Java on a P3 1.0 GHz with 128 megs of RAM on Win2k...).


I may understand your doubts, then. You've been lucky just to make it start... :D
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok i c

bluefish has no tree views in that case prolly not what u want.

For previewing use apache :)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dgaffuri wrote:
aNtHrAx323 wrote:
Maybe I just have really bad memories from the last Java-based IDE I used (but it was Forte4Java on a P3 1.0 GHz with 128 megs of RAM on Win2k...).


I may understand your doubts, then. You've been lucky just to make it start... :D

No kidding. That crap made baby Jesus cry. It got to the point where trying to do programming assignments (IN JAVA, nonetheless) was so aggravating that I worked out a deal with my teacher to let me build the school a bunch of DV stations. After a week of spending the school's money and screwing around with Premiere, I had a 1.5-semester-long vacation. I do *not* get along well with Java. C, C++, Perl, PHP, all gravy. Just keep Java the hell away from me.

ph03n1x - Yeah, that's one thing I noticed from screenshots... Bluefish seems like it's a great editor for single-file apps, however, what I'm preparing to do is going to be a beast of a web app... So I'm not sure I want to lump it all into one big-ass file :) . And yeah, yeah... I will be doing previewing with Apache as well, but I'd like to have immediate execution available for testing relatively simple scripts.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved from Portage & Programming to Duplicate Threads. See https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-339602.html and post there if necessary.
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